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No, that would be too soon. It took them over 20 years to make a package manager, 15 years to add tabs to Windows Explorer. Maybe in 10-20 years they will do it.
This is proprietary software. It doesn't even meet the definition of Open Source.
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Ah, true. I didn't know about Grayjay, though. It doesn't seem to mention this on their website or GitLab, but I can see that the license is proprietary. Ok, their license does use the words "open source". You are not even allowed to edit the code! Crazy and a huge shame for something coming from people in the right to repair movement. Software freedom should be one of their goals. But I guess they think you should be able to control hardware, but not software.
Speaking about VSCode it is also open-source until you realize that 1) the language plugins that you require can only compiled and run in official builds of VSCode and 2) Microsoft took over a lot of the popular 3rd party language plugins, repackage them with a different license… making it so if you try to create a fork of VSCode you can’t have any support for any programming language because it won’t be an official VSCode build. MS be like :).
I'm opposed to having repositories for plugins. I don't want my code editor to connect to the internet at all. If I need some popular plugin, it should already be available in the repository of the distro that I'm using. Some distributions of VIM and Emacs download a bunch of plugins on launch from who knows where. I don't get why people are fine with that.
It's similar with Flatpak and Snap. Oh and each programming language has its own package manager too, of course (NPM belongs to Microsoft too, btw). Everyone and everything wants its own package manager or a separate distribution system.
For now I use VSCodium in firejail to prevent it from accessing the network and I don't install new plugins. I haven't heard of any better editor, unfortunately.
Thought so! I guess people just assume that whenever they see something on GitHub.
Yes FSF has done good things for open source.
What you said makes me think you don't fully understand the type of work they do. The Free Software movement has nothing to do with Open Source. Free Software is about user freedom. The goal of the Free Software movement is to give people control over their own devices and make sure nobody can take that away from them.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
Exactly. There have been things that I had believed for most of my life that were false. If we punish people for being wrong, then nobody will ever change their mind. The cost of doing so will be just too big.
Richard also doesn't care if some subject seems disgusting or if his ideas seem radical to most people. He will talk about the ethics anyway, without any emotions attached. That's what philosophers do.
They have to make it look like some conspiracy, a "cult", etc., since they have nothing else that they could use. There are always people attracted by that sort of thinking and for them it will be enough. In 2019 we saw multiple Free Software projects joining a hate campaign against Stallman based on a blog post that misquoted him and another blog post with fake rumours. The second one was linked by the Software Freedom Conservancy (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us) and it contained stories like these:
I recall being told early in my freshman year “If RMS hits on you, just say ‘I’m a vi user’ even if it’s not true.”
I think all of those people are either blinded by hatred or have some other motive (in this case it's hard for me to believe they are all this stupid and can't recognise obvious trolling). Maybe some of them want proprietary software to exist and Richard's ideas are too radical for them. But the only way they can fight him or the FSF is with lies.
Let's create a society where people can't be wrong. Instead they will be always right! Otherwise they will get cancelled! Isn't that a great idea?
We will only discuss opinions that everyone agrees with. Child abuse? Well, we don't like that, so let's pretend it doesn't exist and never talk about it. Somebody mentions it? Cancel them! Disagrees with us? Cancel! Changed their mind? Too late! Already cancelled!
“Oh well he only publicly said raping children is fine a few times”
He never said rape, so you are wrong! Cancelled!
Brightened my day so much finding out that sick fuck got cancer. Can’t rape kids, or advocate doing so, when you’re dead.
I hate to worsen your day then, because he is not dying. You were wrong again. Double cancelled!
I definitely am eyeing a Linux phone but I don’t think I’ll buy one until a lot of the bugs are worked out on the next model, maybe the Pinephone Pro v2 or whatever the next one is.
Keep in mind that when it comes out, it's probably gonna take at least 1-2 years for it to be good. PinePhone Pro has been around for 1-2 years it seems and I assume it's pretty usable now. I'm not up to date on latest development, though. It's kind of a weird thing, because a few months of progress can make a big difference - something you saw a few months ago might be outdated now (if you use latest software - but things like Mobian Stable will stay the same). But overall it's a slow process.
Right now I just use stock android with all Fdroid apps, nothing proprietary at least as far as apps go. And with Rethink DNS/firewall it pretty much blocks 100% of Google’s telemetry. Seems to be a happy medium before I can switch to an alternate like graphene, e/os or preferably a better hardware linux phone.
That sounds pretty good compared to what most people do! There are also phones that run Ubuntu Touch, which uses an Android kernel I think. I don't know if that's better or worse than Graphene, though.
So him changing his mind was fake, him leaving his own foundation was fake, is there anything that could prove you wrong then?
He was only sorry once he got a lot of flak for his pro child rape opinions.
No, he got in trouble, because he was misquoted by the media when he talked about Minsky. If he is such a liar, why didn't he apologize for that, since that was actually what the drama was about? He could have said that he was wrong and that he no longer believed that. But for some weird reason he didn't.
Put it this way - if Andrew Tate all of a sudden said that sexism is wrong and he’s sorry for his actions, only once YouTube started removing his videos, would you believe it to be genuine? Or just him trying to maintain his position?
So mentioning pedophilia 3 times over 10 years (2003-2013) makes it comparable to Andrew Tate?
It certainly seems like a convenient time to have a change of heart, no?
Let's see. He mentions it for the last time in 2013. Then people dig up his old posts in 2019 and he responds. He had only 6 years to change his mind, very suspicious. Btw, do you know how people knew about those posts? They were on his public website. It was not a secret.
Sorry, I have no time for people who want to see children get raped.
You're just salty, because we are going to destroy your precious little proprietary software and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
a. i think she was too young to appear willing
That could be true. It's a valid point.
b. he’s staying at this weird rich dude’s island and suddenly a very young woman wants to have sex and you don’t think she’s cooerced?
It's certainly weird, but I think there is some chance that he didn't know.
but the other term would be statuary rape, which still implies violence…
I don't know much about that, but according to Wikipedia, it's usually not connected to violence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape. Statutory rape is a legal term, it's not actually the same thing as rape. See, this is another example of what Richard was talking about.
given his position, i don’t think it’s responsible to try to claim pedophilia might be moral, if the child is “consenting”, etc… like sure, it’s okay to discuss ideas… but he acted as if he knew for sure there’s no evidence that it’s harmful…
It would be better if he didn't have stupid or weird opinions, but he is a philosopher, so he thinks and talks about ethics and stuff like that all of his life. Especially on his blog - you can check stallman.org. He is even against using paid toilets. I don't know where he got the idea that a child could consent or that it wasn't harmful, but I've seen some pedo say online that there is some research, which allegedly proves that. So I assume they just cherry pick to find something that supports their claims, but then they of course ignore all of the overwhelming evidence against it. This often happens in pseudoscience. So maybe he read something stupid like that, I don't know.
i don’t think he should be punished, but i don’t think he should be accepted as a spokesperson, figurehead, or leader…
But if he wasn't who he is, I don't know if he would have created the Free Software movement. Many people today still think that it's a radical idea that users should have rights, which nobody should be able to take away from them. I think we need people like him in our society. I also don't know anyone else who has been fighting for this for 40 years refusing to make compromises on people's freedom (unlike Linus Torvalds for example). To this day he still travels the world and gives talks about Free Software in multiple languages.
i felt the same way about Stallman as i did about Allen Ginsberg when i found out he was a pedo…
But Richard Stallman is not a pedo.
Oh, I see, but I'm guessing you can't use normal Debian on it? https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Quartz64_Software_Releases
If you are still interested, I have the original PinePhone. I've been using it as my only phone for around 2 years. It's slow (I think the hardware is from 2010?) and not very good in general, but I don't want to use a proprietary operating system, so I'm stuck with it.
PinePhone Pro is way faster, has better cameras, but it's still not gonna be as fast as a modern phone (I think it uses 2016 hardware?). It has worse batter life than the original PinePhone, unless you add some proprietary firmware (https://xnux.eu/log/083.html - note that this is an old post) - then it's supposed to be similar to the original. The original PinePhone lasts a day if you don't use it much. If you use it, it will probably only last a few hours. If you buy the keyboard case with builtin battery, it will have 3x as much power, but the case is very thick (https://web.archive.org/web/20230523083341/https://phal.io/tech/pinephone-keyboard-review). But there is at least one other extended battery case that you can buy or 3D print.
A true Linux phone that can be flashed with Mobian (mobile Debian) or any other Linux distro.
PinePhones need custom kernel patches. For PinePhone Pro a lot of them have been upstreamed to the Linux kernel, but if you want everything to work, it might still require a custom kernel. So I'm not sure what experience you will get out of a normal distro (I suspect some things might not work). But you can install Mobian, postmarketOS, Manjaro ARM and more. Those are the mobile distros that most people use.
Note that Mobian has 2 proprietary firmware packages (https://packages.mobian.org), so technically it's not a fully free distro. They are probably necessary for WiFi and Bluetooth to work. I don't know how free other distros are, but I doubt that the other ones that I've mentioned are any better.
possible dead development of Mobian
Pine64 only develops the hardware and all software is developed by the community or Purism (the company that makes Librem 5). Mobian isn't dying, the problem is with the kernel for the original PinePhone (which is maintained only by the community). But there is nothing to worry about for the PinePhone Pro according to Mobian devs: https://blog.mobian.org/posts/2023/09/30/paperweight-dilemma/
good gps navigation
I don't use it much, but last I checked mine, it was off by around 1km. PinePhone Pro uses the same modem, so I don't know if it's better. But maybe things got better if you use newer versions of software.
I think if you buy it, it should be with the expectation that you are buying a toy to play around with. Because it's hard to say if it will work out for you. I've heard that PinePhone Pro has issues with call audio quality. In my PinePhone, modem sometimes doesn't wake up from suspend, so I have a script to reset it. So sometimes you will have to use workarounds to improve things. If you don't use a stable distro, some things might also break from time to time.
Also, the modem runs proprietary firmware, which has some vulnerability that can be exploited locally. There is a libre replacement for one of those parts of the firmware (the rest will still be proprietary), but it's not shipped with the phone, so you will have to flash it yourself: https://github.com/the-modem-distro/pinephone_modem_sdk
Software is another topic. You probably won't be able to use Signal for example (requires an Android app), unless you use Waydroid, which lets you run Android apps.
For instance, why is this community modded by me? You would of though that they would of monitored the state of Reddit and jumped on board Lemmy. Its things like these that show that the fsf is blind.
First of all, thanks for doing this. Some months ago when I searched for a community like this, I couldn't find anything. I'm not sure that the FSF can do much more, though.
Richard Stallman still travels the world to give talks about Free Software in multiple languages. They have a conference called Libre Planet. I wish there were more of Richard's talks on YouTube, but other than that I don't know what else they could do that would matter.
It's just very hard to reach people with such a complicated message. I think that's why a lot more people have heard of the term Open Source than Free Software. Even on Lemmy most discussions are about "Open Source" and "Linux". When I commented on some proprietary app being made for Lemmy saying that it was unethical, people downvoted me. They don't understand when I say that users deserve rights and they think Free Software just means you want to get something for free (I don't think it even has anything to do with the word "free", btw - they often think the same way about "Open Source").
It's a very complicated topic to explain to an average person, even to developers (many Free Software projects have a Discord server or use other proprietary software). We still should try whenever we can, but this should really be taught at schools. I doubt the FSF can suddenly become much better at this, no matter what they do. If you think there is a gap, we could try to fill it ourselves (and maybe we should), but we probably aren't gonna build a big audience either.
Also, I just remembered there were some talks about promoting Free Software in last Libre Planet: https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/questions-are-the-answer-how-to-have-deeper-conversations-with-anyone-about-free-software-philosophy/
It glosses over the issue of microcode at the expense of security which ultimately affects privacy.
I'm pretty sure the FSF doesn't say that you shouldn't be allowed to update/changed the firmware. They just say it shouldn't be a part of the operating system. The OS needs to be entirely libre with no compromises.
It would be smarter to focus on arm and risc-v as many of those chips are compatible with free software in some way while being highly efficient and portable.
Most devices with those chips require a custom kernel and most likely proprietary firmware (at least for WiFi and Bluetooth). I don't think you can install an official Debian build from debian.org on a Raspberry PI for example (on RPI 4 you could by using some custom BIOS, but I'm not sure if everything will work then - https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi4). Almost nobody talks about this, though. I have a PinePhone and it runs a custom kernel maintained by the community and its future is uncertain (https://blog.mobian.org/posts/2023/09/30/paperweight-dilemma/). In PinePhone Pro at lot of the patches to the Linux kernel have been upstreamed, but some things are still missing. Librem 5 developers tried to get a RYF certificate, but I'm not sure what happened there. So those kinds of devices can't save us right now.
The Software Freedom Conservancy, FSF Europe, and Bradley Kuhn are the good guys.
To me those are the bad guys. Any organization that wants to cancel someone based on unconfirmed or made up rumors is corrupt to me.
Software Freedom Conservancy has literally spread false information about Richard Stallman: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us. In that post they link to a medium blog post with unconfirmed rumors about him (some of them were later debunked - https://stallmansupport.org). That medium blog post is a second part. In the first one, the author has misquoted Stallman, which was later repeated by media. But this time she gives us stories, which are supposed to show Richard's alleged abusive behavior. Here is my favorite one:
I recall being told early in my freshman year “If RMS hits on you, just say ‘I’m a vi user’ even if it’s not true.”
Seriously? Who would believe this? The Software Freedom Conservancy apparently. This just sounds like the blogger got trolled by someone and that post is full of ridiculous stories like that. But I guess SFC will believe anything, even from an anonymous source if it's something that could hurt Richard Stallman.
More organizations participated in this hate campaign, including Mozilla and Tor Project (https://thetownreporter.com/mozilla-and-tor-join-calls-to-richard-stallman-software-foundation). I will never donate to them and I even considered quitting making Libre Software at the time. I couldn't believe that our community has so many people who will spread lies about someone just to destroy their reputation.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem like it. Between 2003 and 2013 he really used to believe that pedophilia doesn't harm children. But he really only mentioned it a few times and hadn't talked about it again until 2019 when it was brought up again. He said then that he had changed his mind since and that he was wrong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Controversies).
I don't think we should cancel people for believing something stupid 10 years ago, but his haters love to use this. Just like they like to misquote him or spread fake rumors about him (https://stallmansupport.org). They are probably too angry to think clearly or verify information, but sometimes I wonder if for some of them it's really only about his position on proprietary software (he wants to destroy it) and that's why they wanted him removed from the FSF.
It's super weird to me that pirates aren't advocating for the Free Software movement. Being able to control their own devices should be like one of their main goals.