Surely the BBC, the Zionist state media that lied to us for 3 years about the genocide in Palestine, couldn't be lying to us again for geopolitical purposes concerning China!
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China is literally the first trading partner of Taiwan, stop victimizing them when they have lived in peace with China for the past 50 years. As for Hong Kong and Tibet, go ahead and show us your sources for total amount of people actually not supporting the Chinese government. I'm a Spaniard, and I can tell you that the last vote in Catalonia went something like 47% against belonging to Spain, yet I don't see you ever mentioning the Spanish imperialism on Catalonia.
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country can't pay it back
China routinely engages in debt pardons with developing States. The EU is much, much worse in this regard, the central bank of 14 African countries is literally in Paris.
Additionally, the currency in which the loans are denominated is extremely relevant. The IMF forces loans in dollars, which those countries famously can't produce. China often engages in loans in the local currency, which the countries can literally print away.
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People in China definitely don't live scared to criticise the government, I've had plenty of Chinese exchange students and discussed openly politics with them and they have no problem doing so. In fact, people in China have a much better opinion of their system of governance than we do anywhere in the west:
Queer rights need improving but are not horrible, people are free to have a relationship with whomever they want (though older generations may not understand it and may show prejudice), and there are even well-known "gay hubs" like Chengdu, where you can find plenty of overtly gay clubs, and there's increasing homosexual representation in media. The laws need to catch up, but the country has developed a lot faster economically than it's realistic to change culturally, and thankfully China has no threat of a right wing party taking away the rights once they're earned!
everyone knows they have the most invasive privacy system, they will even use it for things like knowing automatically that you paid for a train ticket wheb you walk in so it feels like a plus as long as you're a good citizen.
You're giving a botched description of the western media-manufactured conspiracy theory of the "social credit score". Much in the same way that a criminal in Europe pending trial wouldn't be allowed to board a plane, this applies to China in long distance trains, simple as that. I'm a Spaniard with a thick beard and face recognition didn't work on me when I visited China (lmao), and it was never a problem because there are always helpful workers as an alternative.
Europe looks so so much better
Unfortunately, not most of Europe, you're probably referring only to a few Nordic countries and possibly France or Germany, where wages are decent for highly trained workers. I'm living in Spain, and my friends with PhDs can't afford to get into a mortgage, and everywhere in Europe there is continuous degradation of the welfare state thanks to neoliberalism imposed by the EU, and now it's threatened even more due to far right parties rising because of the 20 years of economic decay without an end in sight + capitalist media conglomerates.
Physics 101 has good predictive capabilities, Econ 101 doesnt, very dissimilar.
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Because people need to believe that the racist propaganda they've been fed is correct and that their country is still the best and most moral in the world
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debt traps
China literally has a well established history of debt forgiving, you're projecting what the western IMF actually does.
economic imperialism
China's trade balance is net positive towards exports by like $1tn yearly? It's literally not extracting the resources from anyone else, you're literally making this up, projection again
install mass murdering/genocidal politicians and spies
More projection. Suharto in your neighbor's nation was propped up by the US, he was the one mass-murdering communists in Indonesia.
kill unarmed fishermen and get away with it
More projection, the US was doing this recently against Venezuelan fishermen, literally fucking bombing people. You're falling for US propaganda.
ram our coast guard boats with their navy ships
Oh no, a sovereign nation doesn't want its seas to be blockaded by US-aligned forces!
smuggle drugs and human trafficking
Again projection, the ones with the opium plantations in Afghanistan were the US, there's no evidence of any such systematic acts by China, drugs are extremely prohibited in China.
the thing with AI data centers in the USA, but replace AI with illegal online gambling. Oh, and promote gambming addicition, of course
Not aware of this, but again, you're literally spelling out the name of the nation whose imperialism you're projecting.
You've been propagandized against China when it was literally the US maintaining a military dictatorship in your neighboring fucking country killing a million communists!!
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It's beyond me how after seeing the past years of overt Zionist propaganda denying genocide in most western media, anyone here is still willing to listen to western media on international affairs. Like, haven't you seen them take the mask off already? How are you trusting BBC's reporting on China?
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Have you ever asked Tibetan people what they believe? There is literally not any significant Tibet independence movement within China, Tibet is its own autonomous region in China with special rights and higher autonomy than most other provinces, and the culture, religion and language are respected.
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US imperialism: we bombed the fuck out of your country and enslaved your people installing a fascist dictatorship and supported it for 30 years
Chinese "imperialism": oh no, consumer goods are too cheap!
I was responding to a question about the pejorative term "tankie", it was literally tankies being attacked here. My parentiposting consisted mainly of defending my ideology from attacks by the compatible left.
Tanking the definition of fascism from a fascist because it's convenient to your "all states are actually the same" ideology is also bad faith, especially when you explicitly ignore the differences in outcomes between different modes of governance.
To you it's a theoretical/philosophical debate about what's more pure, to me it's a matter of whether people get to have food, housing, healthcare, rights and education (which you explicitly ignored)
You could be a fan of both, like me! Soviets made absolute beauties, and importantly, they made them cheap and mass produced. Imagine a HUNDRED THOUSAND T-55s with APDS, what a beauty. For reference, those tanks first saw combat against Israel if I'm not mistaken ;)
Block me already, Mussolini enjoyer
I will never understand anarchists, if I can read and enjoy Kropotkin as a Marxist-Leninist, what the fuck prevents you from reading and enjoying Parenti
Someone who sees through cold-war anticommunist propaganda and defends the anti-imperialist and massively progressive Actually Existing Socialist states (USSR, China, Cuba, Vietnam...) instead of belonging to the "compatible left" that doesn't actually have a history of successful struggle against capitalism and imperialism.
People will be called tankies for defending the socialist figures and projects which get vilified in western discourse precisely because of their success against capitalism and fascism (Fidel, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh), whereas anticommunists will only praise historical figures and projects who failed (Allende, Rojavas, Spanish anarchists) because their metric is not actual improvements to quality of life of people but ideological purity.
Tankie started out as a pejorative word against communists with the attempt to associate them with militarism. Notice how other leftists don't call liberals "dronies" for supporting Obama despite the drone attacks on civilians in the middle east, don't call fascists or Nazis "campies" despite the extensive usage of concentration camps, and don't call capitalists "colonies" despite the widespread colonialism, such violent terms are only reserved to socialists. I consider myself a communist and I reclaim the label "tankie", since it was actually Soviet tanks (T-34s mainly) which destroyed Nazism and saved hundreds of millions of lives in Europe from extermination.
Sakha just wanted to give it's oil and minerals to Moscow. Yakutia just wanted desperately to learn Russian
You could ask those questions to the populations themselves. Where did they have better rights: under tsarism, under Bolshevism or under capitalism. If you care, you could listen to Sardana Nikolaeva being interviewed in the Actually Existing Socialism about the topic and commenting on the massive benefits and respect to native populations under socialism compared to now, let alone tsarism.
Obviously Russia was robbing them blind, and holding them back.
Robbing them blind of what? Holding them back how? By not allowing them to participate in the western capitalist plunder of the rest of the world? Now Estonia gets to have a service society that will collapse with the rest of the EU since it dismantled whatever industry it built during the soviet period!
Same as most other republics and Warsaw pact nations. GDP explosions after ditching the red parasite
Absolute fucking bullshit, the three countries to have benefitted after the dissolution of the Eastern Block have been Estonia, Poland and Czech Republic. Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kirgyzstan, Moldova... Essentially every nation has had lower growth rates in capitalism than in socialism, and certainly a fucking horrifying demographic crisis caused by unemployment, drugs, violence, lack of healthcare, suicide... The dissolution of the eastern block has literally been the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century in Europe after WW2.
Ukraine had borders just fine when Soviets invaded them
Ukraine didn't fucking had borders before 1917, are you fucking kidding me? Great job focusing on Belarus, a country of 10mn inhabitants, because it's the only possible example you can grasp yourself to lmao, the rest of countries literally show the opposite trend.
As for "holodomor", great job comparing literal genocide at the hands of French to an unwanted famine consequence of rapid collectivization (which was necessary to industrialize fast, as proven 10 years later by Nazism, of which Ukraine was saved thanks to Socialism).
Honestly, you're such a bad fucking faith actor.
Again, you literally don't understand fascism then. Systems are analyzed by their outcomes.
Being better at violence doesn't make you more left
Being better at violence against fascism and imperialism definitely makes you more left, though. Actual praxis and results are to me the definition of successful leftism, not the realm of ideas. The lack of proper violence against such regimes leads to a destruction of the left wing.
Your argument boils down to "might makes right" and could be expanded to classify social democracy as "more left"
Social democracy also regularly turns to fascism when it needs to, it's definitely lacking violence against fascism, amazing that you'd say this in 2026. I fucking wish our mighty social democracies in Europe fought against Israeli fascism and USA fascism, unfortunately they're buddies!
(after all, it's left of the global status quo and its citizens are the happiest on average)
By excluding imperialism from the measure of average happiness, you're committing a sampling error. That would be like polling monarchs of medieval Europe to ask whether monarchy is the system making people happier. Ask the people in India and Sri Lanka and Peru extracting the resources of the goods social democracies consume and sewing the clothes we wear how happy they are with social democracy.
Sure, it frequently decays into fascism, but so did the USSR
So, we have one example of a Marxist-Leninist state decaying to fascism (after saving Europe from Nazism) and several examples of countries not doing this (China, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba). How about we engage in honest criticism of the flaws of the Soviet model that led to its dissolution in order to prevent that from happening again?
If you seriously think a fascist society could have universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, lowest levels of economic inequality in the history of the region, guaranteed housing and jobs, lack of exploitation of other countries, respect for minorities (ethnic and otherwise) and for people with disabilities... you simply don't understand fascism.
Different behaviour though, the US is literally bombing Iran.