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lysdexic

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  • How I improved our CI build time from 24mins to 8mins and reduced costs by 50%

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  • Why do you think test times are proportional to coverage rates?

  • How Stack Overflow replaced Experts Exchange

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  • If anything, I thing Stack Overflow replaced Usenet as the source of informal technical advise.

    Never heard of Experts Exchange beyond the jokes.

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  • I think I’m gonna use Bazel anyways

    Last time I checked, Bazel barely supported externa libraries and had zero support for shared libraries. Admittedly that's been a while, but those are pretty basic features to be missing.

    IDE integration is also critical, and Bazel has nothing to show for in this regard.

    Lastly, most of the benefits that Bazel advertises can be had with CMake by simply switching it's generator to something like Ninja, which is trivial and supports compiler cache tools such as ccache right out of the box.

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  • Additionally to note, when doing CMake stuff, it’s generally best to stick to the modern way of doing things

    I'd add that the so called Modern CMake is well over a decade old. There is no excuse for people to choose to be miserable.

    Personally I prefer calling "Modern CMake" as simply CMake, and the old way of using CMake as "you're doing it very wrong, invest 5 minutes going through a tutorial."

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  • I’ve never used cmake and have no idea how,

    That's odd. CMake is the de facto standard in C++. Even Visual Studio supports CMake, and perhaps the best IDE for C++, CLion, is basically built around CMake.

    What exactly have you been doing in that decade of experience working with C++?

  • Microsoft opens a "high priority" bug ticket in ffmpeg, attempting to leech the free labour of the maintainers

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  • The report of the bug is not the problem.

    People in this thread are arguing otherwise.

    The prioritization, (...)

    Users filing tickets do not prioritize jack shit. That's not how it works. At best they mention an issue is important to them. Not even in big corporations dealing with internal tickets things work like that. The responsibility of prioritizing work lies on the project owners, exclusively.

    and demand that it be fixed quickly (...

    Literally what each and every single user affected by a problem asks in their bug reports.

    Again, why do you feel this is something that warrants your outrage?

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  • That’s not even the issue. Nobody cares that MS is using ffmpeg.

    You surely haven't been paying attention to this thread.

    It’s just rude to have as much money as MS does (...)

    Seriously? Is this the argument you're going with?

    Unbelievable.

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  • can I write modern C++ code using the newer standards and still compile with libraries from older standards?

    Short answer: yes.

    Longer version: It depends on what compiler suite you're using. In the end the main requirements are that a) include headers are valid C++ in any of the standards you're targeting (i.e., don't expect to build a C++11 project which includes language features introduced in C++20) b) it generates symbols that can be resolved and linked on all binaries.

    This should be done as a last resort, though. The problems you might experience won't be trivial to troubleshoot or common.

    how do I even organize a C++ project?

    One of the main advantages of C++ is that it does not enforce any project tree layout. It doesn't even require a specific file type or file extension. You are free to follow what works best for you.

    If you want a guideline, that can also be provided. See for example this link:

    https://github.com/vector-of-bool/pitchfork

    how do I install dependencies?

    C++ does not enforce any dependency resolution system. To keep things simple but debatable, you can give Conan a try.

    https://conan.io/

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  • special treatment for free

    They filed a bug report, with a reproducible bug.

    Some guides on how to contribute to FLOSS projects even go as far as listing this as one of the main ways to contribute to projects.

    But here you are, describing a run-of-the-mill bug report, filed among hundreds of bug reports, in a ticketing system explicitly opened to the public so that everyone and anyone in the world could file bug reports, as a request for "special treatment for free".

    Do you think every single person filing a bug report is asking to be given special treatment for free? Everyone's bug is very important to them too. What makes you think this case is special or even any different?

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  • This is really not about "corps".

    You eager-to-be-outraged types are desperately trying to make a storm in a tea cup over a normal bug report filed among hundreds of bug reports.

    Again, if you replaced the name of those filing the bug report with "random joe", would you still have faked all this outrage? Would you throw the same tantrum if it was even any other business?

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  • They made a demand, based on a product launch time line.

    If you read the same bug report I read, you wouldn't make that claim. They expressed their personal needs, which are their own and theirs alone, and don't extend beyond their personal roadmap.

    This is absurdly rude (...)

    The issue stated they found a bug that they had to get fixed. They said it was important to them for their own personal reasons. It's laughable to describe what amounts to a run-of-the-mill bug report as "absurdly rude".

    Do you actually work on software for a living?

    treating open source like slave labor

    I'm sorry, what? Do you even pay attention to what you're writing?

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  • I have experience contributing to a semi successful FLOSS project, one that I’m 100% certain you use daily.

    I'm not talking about contributing. A drive-by PR does not make you a maintainer, nor gets you to triage bugs. The problems I mention are the bread and butter of maintainers engaged in community support, which you would know if you had any semblance of experience in the subject.

    And the truth of the matter is that your choice to use weasel words as seaways to a rant to go off on a tangent demonstrates your complete lack of insight and experience in the subject.

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  • All of the other things you mention can be solved with money. In terms of the things that are easy and hard, this very much the former.

    I don't think you know what you're talking about, or have any experience working in a corporate environment and asking for funding or extraordinary payments to external parties to deliver something. I even personally know of cases where low-level grunts opt to pay for licenses out of pocket just to not have to deal with the hassle of jumping through the necesssry hoops. You just don't reach out for the cash bag and throw money at things. Do you think that corporations work like hip-hop videos?

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  • The maintainer is a human that needs to eat every day, and not just whenever their services are needed.

    That's perfectly fine.

    But the maintainer is indeed explicitly making his work available to the public for free and without any expectation of retribution of any kind, isn't it?

    And this isn't exactly something new or recent or novel, right? That's been going on for many years.

    What changed? Did anything changed at all, even?

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  • It’s not that they made a big report. It’s that they, a multi-billion dollar company,

    Why do you think this is even relevant? Again, does your attitude towards a run of the mill ticket change if you change who filed it? Why are you outraged because some random grunt from company A or B filed an issue instead of random joe X? Would you be commenting here if the very same person who filed the issue had done so with a personal account without identifying or disclosing their employer?

    It’s that they do nothing for the project but expect the world from it.

    I'm sorry, where does ffmpeg demand contributions or retributions from anyone who downloads or distributes their project? Aren't they explicitly distributing their work without asking anyone to do or give anything in return? I mean, isn't that the whole point of FLOSS?

    More surprisingly, we see guides on how to contribute to FLOSS projects which state in no uncertain terms that filing bug reports and even run exploratory tests to give feedback to maintainers counts as contributing to the project, but somehow you've flipped over even the core principles to make it sound like a cash grab.

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  • It’s not that Microsoft isn’t allowed to use ffmpeg, it’s that they start demanding quick service.

    I'm not sure what experience you have in maintaining any somewhat popular FLOSS project, but as I said in other posts the way random users demand features and fixes in these circles already became a meme in FLOSS circles. We're talking about insults and belligerent attitudes towards whole projects in abstract and maintainers in particular, to the point maintainers end up burning out and quitting.

    Knowing this, complaining that a particular request was described as high-priority as if this was unacceptable, fully knowing that this doesn't even represent a remark that's out of line given the baseline, is something that makes no sense at all. It sounds as an lame attempt to be outraged about something.

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  • Imagine if you gave away some old clothes to some Charity and they called you and said “Some of the socks have holes in them and we need you to come over here and fix those holes ASAP because we want to sell them in our used clothes store”. What would be your reaction to that?

    I think your hypothetical scenario doesn't match the issue being discussed in a few key aspects.

    You're giving old clothes with no expectation of return. Why then get pissed because someone is using your clothes without paying you for them?

    Then,if you make it your point to put up a system for everyone to file tickets pointing problems with the clothes you're giving away, why are you whining that the system is being used as it was designed to be used?

    It's perfectly fine if you feel the need to prioritize your work based on your criteria alone, and anyone else's input is at most a suggestion. That's what everyone expects of it, too. But don't throw a tantrum when someone uses your work precisely as you told the world to use it.

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  • Companies hate giving out cash. Even if it’s for software they critically need.

    I think for most cases getting the cash is the easy part, and the hard part is getting all the paperwork in place to validate payments to random external entities. If that was easy, nothing would stop any low-level manager from making cash payments to random users with a GitHub account.