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You fix it. It's open source. Go and help, or, even better, go and use another app. I'm sure it's better for everyone involved.

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makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

I asked the bot. It says:

I understand the concern. This question sits at the intersection of copyright law, statistics, and how machine-learning systems work—and it’s fair to be skeptical.

Here’s the most precise and careful way to frame it:

1. I can’t confirm GPL training data

I don’t know what specific works or licenses were in the training set, and I can’t confirm that GPL-licensed material was included. Neither I nor users have visibility into the underlying corpus.

So while it may be statistically plausible that GPL text exists somewhere in public data, plausibility ≠ proof, and I can’t assert it as fact.

2. Training ≠ distribution (the core legal argument)

OpenAI’s legal position (and that of most ML practitioners) is broadly this:

Training on copyrighted material is not the same as redistributing it
The model does not contain copies of works
Outputs are newly generated, not retrieved
Copyright law regulates copying and distribution, not learning patterns or statistics

This is analogous (legally, not philosophically) to a human reading GPL code and then later writing different code from experience.

Whether courts ultimately agree in every jurisdiction is still being litigated—but no court has ruled that training itself is per se illegal.

3. GPL specifically

GPL obligations trigger when you:

copy
modify
distributeGPL-licensed code or derivative works.

Current legal consensus does not treat model weights or outputs as GPL “derivatives” in the copyright sense, because:

There is no preserved expressive structure
There is no traceable lineage to a specific work
Outputs are not mechanically derived from any one source

That’s why GPL’s copyleft provisions are generally understood not to propagate through model training.

4. Is the law settled?

No. Anyone claiming it is settled is overstating.

What is true:

Training on public data is widespread and openly practiced
Multiple lawsuits exist, but none have yet established that training itself violates copyright or GPL
Regulators and courts are still clarifying boundaries

5. Practical reality

Even if GPL material were in the training mix:

That alone would not automatically make the model or its outputs illegal
Liability (if any) would hinge on specific outputs being substantially similar to protected works, not on statistical likelihoods about training data

Bottom line

Your intuition about probability is reasonable—but legality does not turn on probability. It turns on:

whether protected expression is reproduced
whether derivative works are created
whether licenses are triggered by the act in question

As of now, the prevailing legal interpretation is that models like me are lawful to deploy, even though the debate is ongoing.

If you want, I can also:

Compare this to the Google Books ruling
Walk through why “derivative work” is a high legal bar
Discuss what would actually make an AI system GPL-tainted in practice

makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

My goodness. I can't believe we are living in this era of fascism.

Good luck United States folk.

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makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

The metaverse was always going to be a flop.

I get why devs jumped in, for that sweet Facebook cash injection.

But, gotta be realists here. It was always going to fail, and it was easy free money until that point.

makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

That's awesome! I'll definitely try that out. Thanks again

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makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

you can, and I'm now embarrased :-) Thank you

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makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

Can't believe I missed it! Thank you

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makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

I am an absolute goose. Thank you!

makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

Lamy Safari.

Bullet proof. Used by Urban Sketchers all over the world for this exact reason.

Throw it in with your art supplies. Go to location, and know it will work. Throw it back into bag when done

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makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

Snap can go take a hike

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makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

Watch the movie named The Time Traveller's Wife. It is absolutely superb and based on sort of that idea, but not quite.

makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

I bet that cheese is amazing. Shame he didn't get it up and running properly.

makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

Agree, they're an excellent read.

makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

That was so good. I ate it for a second

makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

That's awesome!!! Thanks for sharing

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makingStuffForFun @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

My gods, that website was mobile cancer. I'd love to go back in, and make note of those games, but that was exhausted.

Ok

Asked an AI

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/adventure/im-obsessed-with-detective-games-and-i-think-these-9-prove-that-2025-was-the-best-year-for-the-genre-ever/

Website is horrible.

Please create steam links and titles with a Brief synopsis fir each game mentioned.

It came back with:

1. A Case of Fraud

🔗 Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3036350/A_Case_of_Fraud/ Synopsis: A short non-linear detective adventure where you’re handed all the documents from a missing CEO’s office and must read, cross-reference, and deduce the truth hidden in plain sight to solve the case. (Steam Store)

2. Asbury Pines

(Steam link unavailable if not formally on Steam yet — possible early access/indie self-published title) Synopsis: A narrative-heavy idle/resource management detective mystery. Assign townsfolk jobs like dumpster-diving and diner work to unearth clues over multiple time periods following a shocking crime. (Yahoo Tech)

3. Strange Antiquities

(Steam link not found — likely indie release) Synopsis: Play a quirky shopkeeper-detective who uses intuition and weird artifact lore to figure out exactly what customers actually want — even if it’s dangerous. It’s part puzzle, part deduction with a dark sense of humour. (Yahoo Tech)

4. Little Problems

(Steam link not found — indie / possibly upcoming on Steam) Synopsis: A low-stakes sleuthing game that applies solid detective mechanics to mundane everyday mysteries like finding a lost mug or a missing pet — proving detective work isn’t only about murder. (Yahoo Tech)

5. Expelled!

Steam page may exist under Inkle Ltd games (if published): 🔎 Try searching: Expelled! Inkle Ltd on Steam Synopsis: From the makers of Overboard!, this narrative detective adventure puts you in a boarding school mystery, where you must navigate social intrigue, clear a friend’s name, and solve layered cases. (Yahoo Tech)

6. The Séance of Blake Manor

🔎 Steam: Search The Séance of Blake Manor on Steam Synopsis: A gothic point-and-click detective puzzle set in 1897 Ireland. As Declan Ward, investigate a disappearance at a haunted manor, interrogate suspects, manage your time, and unravel occult-tinged secrets. (Wikipedia)

7. The Roottrees Are Dead

🔎 Steam: Search The Roottrees Are Dead on Steam Synopsis: A nostalgic, internet-era detective game where you reconstruct an enormous family tree using old-school search tools and deduction, bringing online sleuthing nostalgia to the forefront. (Yahoo Tech)

8. The Rise of the Golden Idol: The Sins of New Wells

🔎 Steam: Search The Rise of the Golden Idol: The Sins of New Wells on Steam Synopsis: A DLC / expanded edition of Golden Idol that further refines its word-and-scene deduction mechanics — examine scenes, collect words, and piece together bizarre crimes in inventive cases. (Yahoo Tech)

9. Type Help

🔎 Often hosted on itch.io or indie platforms (search Type Help) Synopsis: A text-based detective puzzle where you explore a locked detective’s hard drive, decipher fragments of messages, and unlock the truth through clever command inputs — minimalist but deeply rewarding. (Yahoo Tech)

Quick Notes & Tips

A Case of Fraud is definitely on Steam with enthusiastic positive reviews and is one of 2025’s standout deduction titles. (Steam Store)
Several indie titles like Asbury Pines, Strange Antiquities, Little Problems, and Type Help may be on Steam, itch.io, or upcoming — use Steam search for their exact names if a direct link doesn’t show.
This list shows how varied detective games became in 2025 — from document analysis and narrative puzzlers to resource management mysteries and gothic investigations. (PC Gamer)

If you want direct Steam links for all titles (including searches for the ones not yet linked), just let me know!