By voting for socialist leaders who won't get elected, you allow the right to get elected and thereby deny them those scraps. And I think the homeless would rather have some scraps than none. Also, when in a contemporary democracy, this is the spectrum, no one else would get elected.

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I was wondering if something like that would lose some meaning as things like that are infamously inaccurate.

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Again, when I say Joe Biden commits genocide, I don't get disappeared the next day.

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Marx said that the state was inherently oppressive. But I guess I missed the part where he said that it doesn't matter if the party brands itself as communist.

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It's called a rhetorical question, glad I could help

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No decommodification, no worker owned capital. The US is in an early version of socialism too I guess.

Edit: guys it's called sarcasm

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Are you denying that Google is a repository of information. Even duckduckgo is banned. They're not even close to a monopoly. I'm making the point that they're restricting information. Also I'd be happy to read article 590 if you could provide me with an English translation.

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Let me simplify this. A lot of people in this thread were justifying oppression saying it was for the people. I'm not saying that Muslims are bourgeois, I'm saying that the Uyghur genocide is unjustified as they're not antagonized to the proletariat, but rather an ethnic group.

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Don't conflate liberals and the right. Liberals don't actively try to fuck over workers like rightists are. Further, it doesn't matter what liberals were 100 years ago, do you think Biden is as bad as Trump?

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I still don't get how it's controversial to say that to gain power, we need numbers, and we agree with liberals more than fascists, and therefore to get power to us and away from fascists we should unify until we can create a revolution, or a party that will be voted in.

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Let me simplify it for you. It doesn't matter if they allegedly have better material conditions when they can't view information contrary to the state.

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I'm going to stop now because you've also been chasing your tail, not engaging with my arguments, but rather calling me a lib because I disagree with you. You would call Marx a lib if he were alive today. Also, why do you treat libs as people below you, have you not thought of the idea that this could be why they disagree with you?

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Whether it prevents bourgeois propaganda or western propaganda, it's not worth it when the people aren't free. I also find it to be very opposite to Marx implying that the Chinese government wouldn't try to control their people if they could.

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I haven't only read Wikipedia, I've read things such as interviews from former Chinese citizens saying that Google was banned, and on their search engine the tiennamen square never existed. Also, how is China becoming more communist? The government getting profits from wage-slavery isn't becoming more communist, it's becoming the center of capitalism. Even if the government weren't making direct profits from wage-labor, they still make profits from things like taxes and corporations buying land. When the government is making profits from capitalism, they won't go socialist.