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Worth noting that none of the incels in this thread got a threat (or a ban) like I did.

And that the example of my past "problematic" behavior by the other mod was an old unmoderated thread full of racists and white supremacists in which some of my comments were retroactively deleted for being uncivil, but none of the racists in that thread got moderated or banned, somehow making me the main issue there.

Consciously or not, it means their demand is not "be civil" but rather "we're protecting bigots, and anyone who gets annoyed and talks back to them will be dealt with". It's just flaccid tone policing, and somehow extends to comics too, not just comments.

As I told them, I'll be nice and pretend I didn't read this comment chain, and will continue posting my comics as usual. However, I won't stop clapping back at bigots if they remain unmoderated. Let's hope the new mods will learn something from being badly ratioed for their takes in here.

This mod team needs the oversight of someone who has actual experience moderating a big community (and doesn't act like a dork the instant they get a sliver of power over others). If they aren't up to the task and keep threatening people who are trying to push bigots out instead of the bigots themselves, I'll have a chat with the instance admins. Don't want yet another Lemmy community to fragment, dull, or die.

Je prends ça comme un signe que la satire touche trop juste, tant pis pour cette communauté-là !

Sur reddit r/comics la modération a du verrouiller le sujet parce qu'il attirait un trop grand nombre de mascus énervés, ils n'arrivaient plus à en gérer l'influx continu. Je préfère cette réaction-là, c'est plus sain.

Haha oui, comparé au chaos que ça a causé sur !comicstrips@lemmy.world où la nouvelle équipe de modération m'a sorti que je ne suis plus bienvenu dans leur communauté, tout va bien sur le fediverse.

Point commun entre les fachos de tout bord : l'éducation est une de leurs premières cibles.

Pas uniquement pour endoctriner les populations qu'ils veulent subjuguer, mais aussi juste pour les punir d'exister.

Jusqu'en France, où les politiques macronistes sur l'immigration rendent de plus en plus complexe la scolarisation des mineurs isolés, dont un bon nombre sont des jeunes maliens. Pourtant c'est une évidence que c'est nécessaire de les scolariser, l'alternative est d'avoir des migrants mineurs dans les rues trop jeunes pour travailler, sans droits et sans encadrement… à part la criminalité, vers quoi sont-ils censés se tourner ? Alors que lorsqu'ils sont scolarisés, ils ont tendance à tendre vers l'excellence vu qu'ils ont tout à prouver.

Mermaids and Not A Phase seem to be the most hated charities on TERF Island, must mean they're doing good things.

Don't do it unless you really want to though. It was just an ephemeral comment exchange on a silly social network, no peer pressure and have a beautiful day :)

I don't know, you tell me how much.

As the comic's author, and certainly not a TERF, I'm here to take the earnings of that bet.

Groupe crée par un patron terrorisé par la gauche, qui avait peur que l'élection de Mitterrand mène au communisme (lol).

Le lobby est actuellement dirigé par Patricia Barbizet, la main droite de François Pinault.

Barbizet est également présidente d'un autre lieu d'influence pour le networking entre ultra riches, la Philarmonie de Paris. Elle y a été nommée par le gouvernement Hollande, et est donc depuis une employée de l'état français, qui finance leur réseautage bourgeois (je ne suis pas contre financer la philarmonie, culture is good, juste que ce lieu a pris une connotation particulière sous Barbizet).

Les positions de l'AFEP, d'après Wikipedia :

L'Afep s'engage à chaque mandature pour flexibiliser le travail, pour réduire la fiscalité des entreprises et des grandes fortunes, et pour défendre la rémunération de ses adhérents. Selon elle, tout doit reposer sur l'autodiscipline des managers, capables de faire preuve de retenue sur les bonus et autres parachutes dorés, sans régulation de l’État.

L'organisation milite en faveur de la baisse des dépenses publiques mais également de la hausse des aides aux entreprises. En 2023, elle prend position en faveur de la réforme des retraites d'Emmanuel Macron et met en cause le MEDEF, qu'elle juge trop timoré : « La réforme des retraites est une réforme urgente et indispensable, mais le MEDEF procrastine pour des raisons de paix sociale ».

Le travail accompli par Ambroise Roux via l'AFEP pendant la mandature Mitterrand (source toujours Wikipedia) :

Avec l'AFEP, il obtient du pouvoir socialiste des mesures fiscales pour les entreprises. notamment l'aménagement de la taxation sur les plus-values; peu après il fait entrer dans ce club patronal un inconnu, François Pinault puis œuvre pour que la FNAC passe sous son contrôle. Ami d'Edouard Balladur, qui a dirigé une de ses filiales, il a aussi facilité l'ascension de Guy Dejouany, Jean-Marie Messier, Pierre Blayau, Bernard Arnault, Jimmy Goldsmith, Marc Viénot, Pierre Suard, Serge Tchuruk, Didier Pineau-Valencienne, et André Lévy-Lang.

Quand j'en parle aux gens, ils en ignorent l'existence, alors qu'ils sont un de nos plus grands ennemis de classe.

C'est signe d'un lobby beaucoup trop efficace.

Buddy, your rules changed overnight in a way that makes no sense because - and I insist on that - you do not understand what a comic is. That's a terrible look for a new mod in a comics community.

Look at this comment chain's scores / votes: you are being ratio'd by your own community. Maybe it's a sign you are doing things in a way that's overstepping some boundaries that make no sense, no?

The choice of word "bigotry" in your comment is something else. Bigoted against who, sexists? Men's right activists? You are a afraid of satirical content. It creates discourse that you don't want to manage. Got it. This is your place now, you get to set your rules. But actually add a "no satirical comics" rule instead of freestyling it, because that's not what "be civil" implies in regards to content creation.

Since this is the only comics community on Lemmy with an actual active population, I'll keep posting my content in here until you ban me for it. And if you do end up banning me, I won't be posting it to other comic communities, only to my personal community, there's no other place suitable for comics and I don't feel like creating a split/offshoot. That would be damaging for Lemmy and I don't want to see the fediverse split some more over one man's stubbornness.

Your mod team needs to have an actual conversation about this exchange though (and the scores / votes it's getting), and needs to have a conversation with the comics community too about what you think a comic is and isn't and what does or doesn't belong here. Implying any form of satire with a bit of a provocative sting isn't welcome here is a huge deal, and requires a clear delineation of what the line that should not be crossed precisely is.

You have no idea what you are doing, this is the type of rash decision that marks the start of the decline of a community, which would suck since this one is quite lively as of now. I'll take the exclusion if you want, it wouldn't annoy me as much as it would to see yet another Fediverse community become dull and die.

PS: Half of the issue is that you express yourself poorly. Another mod had to step in and clarify what your issue with me precisely was. You could have been direct from the start instead of trying to act tough. People can't read your mind, work on your communications skills. And go read the much more constructive reply I gave them, wouldn't hurt, you might realize we don't stand at odds as much as you believe.

PPS: This comic is currently on top of lemmy.world's front page, even though it's two days old. Are you fully sure and certain that you are taking decisions that go with the flow of what the community likes / wants to see? Or is this maybe a personal vendetta because you dislike the way I was behaving in this community… back when there was no active mod team here and thus no other way to get bigots / sexists / racists to leave this place than to make them feel unwelcome? I get your message, there's a mod team now, so I should leave conflicts to you instead of handling it myself. Acknowledged. Maybe you should have opened with that.

Doesn’t help when the flames are fanned by commenting “cry more”.

Fair assessment. I deleted the "cry more" comment and another similar one, my apologies, those are indeed uncivil. However, I would like to remind you that until very recently this community was entirely unmoderated, and that slinging insults at reactionaries / sexist / racist folks was the only way to make them go away. I can adjust that behavior now that the place is (hopefully) properly moderated, but it's a different request from the "you are unwelcome here" that your colleague opened with, nor was the "did I stutter" they followed it up with when I was trying to clarify the situation a civil response tbh.

It feels like you might thrive off of rage-baiting like this

My comics are satirical. The point of satire is that it stings when it hits the correct notes. If you think social/political satire doesn't belong in this community, then you should add it to the rules. But that would mean banning a lot of the most famous / classic comics of all time, such as The Far Side, Peanuts, Mad Magazine, Dilbert… hell even Astérix is straight up satire.

Satire is very different from ragebait: it's meant to make people think about preconceptions they have, about topics they don't usually question, by presenting them under a different light that exposes the fundamental hypocrisy behind that situation. Ragebait is just stuff made to piss people off for fun. I don't do such content.

aware of the headache your content is causing to mods as you remarked that this very comic was locked on /r/comics

I am in good terms with the mods of r/comics. We have regular conversations, and never once have they accused my content of being ragebait, complained that I was uncivil (although to be fair the place is actually moderated so I can just report comments over there), or complained that my comics aren't comics. Quite the opposite actually, they enjoy that I (and other popular cartoonists) act as a magnet for unmasking bigots, it helps them get rid of those people.

They locked the thread because it was attracting an overwhelming number of men's right activists, so many more than usual that it had to be a raid from a third party community. It wasn't because they had any issue with the content of the comic or with the discourse that was happening under it (actually there was some pretty good discourse regarding transphobia if the comic is seen under a specific prism that I didn't take into account, which is healthy and important discourse).

My comment that spawned this entire conversation was a commentary on a deep sexism issue that Lemmy has to deal with, especially in unmoderated or poorly moderated communities. Whether I continue posting content here or not, those people will still be there, and you'll have to deal with them sooner or later. Keep that in mind.

All in all, I understand that it's hard to take over a husk of a community and turn it into something better. If you think I don't fit, then fine, your place your rules. Just make sure that decision fits with what the community actually wants (doesn't seem to fit with the votes / scores my content gets + nobody in this community has ever told me my content doesn't belong here), and that everyone here understands what your definition of a comic is, otherwise you're exposing yourself to fragmenting or dulling the community, which is something I don't want to happen even if I do get excluded, as this is the kind of stuff that alienates Fediverse users and hurts Lemmy's overall popularity.

Good luck figuring this all out. Thanks for actually making a proper detailed comment about it. If you genuinely think my content doesn't belong here, then just ban me and be done with it, would be better than your colleague's confusing attempt at trying to act tough. Otherwise I'll continue posting on the usual schedule, as I've been doing for a year now. I enjoy the conversations in here, sometimes it mostly generates rage and negative reactions sure (especially when it's about sexism tbh), but most of the time they're constructive and interesting. See you tomorrow… or never I guess, depending on how you feel. Your move. Good night.

I share comics in Lemmy's main comics community.

They're shared in good faith, with the goal of being relatable and thought provoking content. As all comics are, that's precisely the reason why people make comics, especially satirical ones. I have better things to do with my life than creating chaos for the sake of chaos.

This comic has a good score, a good upvote % ratio, has generated some interesting conversations (and some chaos too, sure).

You told me I am unwelcome in response to a comment that has 89 upvotes vs 20 downvotes at the time of writing this. Are you sure that you understand the community you are representing / moderating? Seems like there's an obvious rift here.

In the end it's up to you, and if you want me gone, then I'll be gone, I'm not here to argue with you. I'd just like to spare everyone (you included) the headache of whatever happens next if you start power tripping. It would lead to the usual lemmy community split, fragmenting the userbase even more, etc. which is not desirable for any of us.

You should really think this through, starting with learning what a comic is, and looking at what the community wants or doesn't want to see here.

This is not the correct hill to die on.

If you confidently feel that I am unwelcome here, why not just ban me and be done with it?

You'll also need to ban some of the other regulars who have been contributing content to this place for a long time now. You might want to have a serious inner discussion within your team and with the community about what a comic actually is. A good start would be looking at other successful/popular comic communities around the internet (start with r/comics on Reddit for example, there's other places worth investigating too).

Getting rid of content that generates conversation will leave you with a dull or dead community soon enough. Alienating people who have been contributing content regularly for a while won't help. That's probably not your end goal.

Take some time to think about it, I'll head out for now. Good night.

You fundamentally misunderstand what a comic is. You also clearly do not know what a rage comic is. It's not a good look for someone picking up mod duties on a comics community. I would suggest looking at other successful/popular comic communities around the internet (start with r/comics on Reddit for example, there's other places worth investigating too).

I've been contributing here for a year without any previous issues. Nobody from within the community has ever told me that my content doesn't belong here. It usually gets good scores/votes. This is the first time I'm getting this demand, and it's coming from a brand new mod team, so I'm going to pretend I didn't read this comment and give you time to think it through properly.

Are you being serious?

Is this the official stance of the new mod team or a sarcastic reply?

Legitimately can't tell.

Thanks, much appreciated :)

Then build something instead of looking for people to blame.

Men's safe spaces are the default.

Taking some examples from my personal life : most gyms, many sports clubs, most gaming communities, barbershops, men's addiction recovery groups, are places where men can feel very comfortable being themselves and taking all the space without little to no pushback. Some have alt right dipshits, some don't. Find the right ones.

This comment thread is a prime example. Looking at the scores it's implied that I should bow down to the needs of entitled men instead of having them work on themselves and curb their unhealthy need to have total control of everything everywhere. That's what a male safe space looks like, so add Lemmy comment sections to the list above. Might feel hard to read, but I'm not one of those people who will pat you on the back just for existing. Being mad at the existence of women's only spaces instead of looking for spaces that would fit you is unhealthy behavior. Other people are allowed to exist outside of your control. Work on yourself. If you can't do it alone, try therapy. It worked for me.