Icytrees

Got it. Unshifting goalposts is shifting the goalposts now.

Why you're asking if I'm eating with nazis, is what I'm trying to get to the bottom of. My quote was about taking up space, not sharing a meal.

Is it shifting the goalpost when I'm trying to bring a conversation back to my original point?

Admittedly, it's hard to keep track of every thread in this discussion, which is why I'm trying to stick to reason I posted.

From all instances, including .world.

I agree with that last quote.

But what I'm noticing is a reducing of the original saying to mean any place with a nazi is a nazi bar, and therefore contaminated. Taking back online and IRL communities from nazis involves sharing space and occasionally having a dialogue.

If someone has a close relationship with a nazi, to the point where they think they can change their mind, it's their duty to try. Otherwise the nazi is only going to hang out with other nazis and become more of a shit head.

In the end I think we all agree there should be fewer nazis, but maybe we disagree on how to do that.

My shower thought wasn't that hard to understand either, which was about taking control of spaces rather than treating a nazi like the single drop that spoils the batch.

My statement, the original shower thought, was referencing how the entire saying got turned into a purity test for online spaces, not that I'm against Nazi's getting kicked out of bars.

I'm using this account because I've been seeing, almost daily, someone calling this instance a Nazi Bar. I don't think the saying works for highly segmented online forums like these.

I wonder why so many people disagree with the idea I'm putting forth that leaving a space because of one terrible person allows terrible people to take control of a space.

That's not what I said. What I said was:

"If a nazi walks into a bar and everyone else leaves, it becomes a nazi bar."

If you went through covid without anyone you knew going down the crazy hole, you must not know many people.

They did try to promote their beliefs online and were fully into Q Anon and Alex jones.

I disagree with the complete lack of nuance, we invited them with the understanding that they weren't allowed to bring up any opinions against any group of people, as sort of soft intervention.

They've since come out as non-binary and seem to have dropped the bullshit. We're not close anymore, though.

In the end, I saw the opportunity to help get rid of a nazi. It's not a contagious disease anymore than not being a nazi.

What does that have to do with what I said? That the people who exist in the same place as a nazi are nazis by default?

Is every place that accepts socialists a socialist place? Every place with queer folk a gay place?

I had a formerly liberal friend go down a dark path, so I invited them over for dinner with my queer, socialist pals to try to show them a sense of community and opinions that were lacking in their online echo chamber. Did my place become a nazi house?