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  • Is your argument that Chinese government is not using technology to restrict freedoms?

    How is that being upvoted

    I would say that decades of western Hollywood has primed the population to mistrust any new technology and only see potential dystopian ends in exchange for entertainment. Combined with China spreading propaganda to encourage those views in western nations. Sites like lemmy and Facebook are heavily used as generators to spread mistrust.

  • Right but so are people. This was all inevitable from the start. Much worse stuff is coming. People should have been embracing methods to avoid this stuff decades ago. I'm not just talking about using a fucking ad blocker. There needed to be measures to fuck with data collection. Become hostile to any site's or content creators looking to sell viewers anything. Run applications that could feed junk data back to sites.

    Had people started earlier they wouldn't be facing the giant industry that grew out of a digital spaces that welcomed the things that eventually grew into this data collection beast we all knew were coming.

  • Yea it's unfortunate the Republicans are in power. They would have done something about this.

  • Any new technology instantly gets turned into some new boogeyman instead of being embraced. Works out great for China when western people become luddite at a very critical window of opportunity from emerging technology. You'd almost think China has a strong ability to flood western sites with propaganda.

  • Spamoflage

  • But there is. Between the two options, moderation or community controls, I'll pick community controls.

    But this is kind of my point. Lemmy should not be recreating what we already know end up as a tool that is used by authoritarians to control us. Lemmy should be generating more new ideas and testing them out. New instances with new features. Some will work some won't. It's why I get a little pissed off seeing people who claim to be leftist, claim they'll punch a nazi, claim that Trump and Bezos and capitalism is responsible for great suffering who them go on to just use lemmy for posting feel good fun time cat pictures and moth memes. We should be doing more. Because at some point we'll need tools and by the time we need them we're not going to have time to fiddle fuck trying to get them to work. We needed tools 15 years ago.

  • I agree. I think fediverse is such an amazing step towards something great. But i don't want to drop this ball. I believe there's so many balls dropped over the past 20 years. I think we need to wake up

  • You're missing what I'm saying. What gives you're instance of anything any importance. Why are you not creating instances every day for yourself?

    You're going to want to gravitate to instances that produce content. You can say you'll just defederate but what stops the highly motivated PR team whose job is to capture these instances from also targeting other instances you enjoy.

    I don't know about your experience, but I've had this happen outside the fediverse. Many sites I enjoyed were slowly turned. There was ways to stop it. But people didn't take it seriously. I see the exact same attitudes here.

    They are going to come to the fediverse and they're going to make it theirs if we don't figure out ways to prevent it. Spinning up new instances and defederation will not be enough. There needs to be systematic changes to how these sites work. They have to be anti capitalist and community first rather than moderation first.

  • Both a) and b) only works for so long. We're not talking just about users. We're talking about coordinated efforts by group's backed by financial support to slowly take over. I've seen them go so far as getting themselves onto mod teams. They have it down to a science mean if we're not making them rewrite their books constantly then lemmy is just going to go the way of all other platforms.

  • I don't know your experience with being online but I'm telling you that what you said was said mockingly about other sites too and it turned out to be true

  • My point is for how long? At some point it either dies out or becomes popular enough to attract that attention. And so I'm asking now, because we never did with the other sites, what can we do to prevent it. Because these spaces are running out rapidly.

  • This kind of floors me because I may have said similar years ago, but lately I think the digital space is the most important frontier we have right now. Like everybody is planting their flags on different lands. There's only so much to go around. It's why these tech bros are all spending billions on it. But the left seems to have volunteered to sit out and ignore its importance. I don't know why

  • Not sure what you mean here. I'm saying it is potentially not censorship proof and that we should be aware of that.

  • I do appreciate that and you're right about losing focus. I get a little bent out of shape over some of the more ignorant comments from people.

    I get not wanting to begrudge the "Cute pic" people but everyday I just don't get it. What are people on the left doing. It's just so sad to me to see what it's become that I don't know what future it holds and that sucks. This is a lefty space and its just the realization that this is it. It's what is left and people don't even see it or care. They can't be bothered.

    I have a lot of anger from going on any other digital space and seeing outright racism and sexism and just horrible shit that is now so common. And I come to lemmy and people keep promoting the idea of just ignoring things that irk them.

    NO action. NO fight. Just block and move on.

    Wouldn't that be just what the right would love for us to do? Block them instead of challenging them. It makes me realize the left may be dying not because we did our best and fought and actually tried but instead we willingly gave up and convinced each other to as well.

    For me, Lemmy is the last nail in the coffin in a digital frontier that highlights this. I don't even know if people know how bad it is because most people here just block and avoid things they do not like since they are the "cute pic" people.

    In a world where numbers and engagement matter most, how do we not partially blame them especially when the "cute pic" people are avoiding the world because they hate the situation but they're just not willing put up with it enough to push back like others.

  • What spaces are those?

  • Right, and I'm thinking this is not actually a solid way to protect fediverse from what is happening everywhere else.

    We can all create instances, but there needs to be engagement for it to matter. I'm not looking at this from the point of view of "what can I do to enjoy my time on the internet while my rights are taken away and I'm told my sister should go to jail for wanting an abortion"

    There is a pattern that occurs with seizing digital spaces. It starts small. They begin dog whistling in small communities. Not enough to get banned. Just enough to get reactions. Based off the reaction they target a few of the weaker ones. Whistles get louder. They link those to their influencers who post to their base. That base begin to show up and the community begins to fracture. Mods get overwhelmed. Ask for help to increase mod team. Some of the new mod team are the very people poisoning the community or are affiliated. The new moderators make it worse. Users begin to block or leave the communities. More dog whistles. More growth from the right until the community is captured. They move on to target another bigger community and are now using the first community as a pool to feed into the bigger one and turn it. So you can de-federate but nothing really stops the attacks. There is no real mechanism right now to guard against what has happened as far as I see it.

    If lemmy were to grow as big as other sites, it will be just as likely to swing hard right unless something else is done.

  • But they exist still. My assumption here is it wasn't always a shit hole. That the shit hole occurs when a few poor features of digital spaces are exploited. Vote manipulations. Moderation capture. Linking posts and communities by accounts like Libs of TT who brigade. And once you de-federate, what stops them from jumping to any other instances you enjoy?

  • Share ideas. Build community. Raise awareness. You build hype.

    With enough numbers and engagement you can resist the spread of the right and push back.

  • You would fail just like all the others before you

    Which is my point a little bit. But you assume it fails because people don't want it. Leftist need to change to want it if they want to survive.

    For fucks sake you're all suppose to be leftist and you can't even re-create a co-operative based approach to your digital space. But you're all going to say "we need to universalize X, Y or Z" but when it comes to your cat post we need a hierarchical system where ultimate control is given to a select few faceless individuals??

    There is no future for the left if you rely on moderation. Moderation will inevitably become the tool of tech billionaires to control our digital spaces. Being able to stand up new instances is not a defense to protect these spaces against that. The left needs spaces to disseminate information. Spread ideas and build momentum. The only logical conclusion becomes that the minute it is popular enough to be useful then it will also be popular enough to for the right to target. If lemmy does not develop ways to guard against control by a select few faceless individuals then it will go the way of reddit if not worse. Without spaces to grow, then the right will continue their trend of capture people of all ages to their ideas and principals.

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world

    Are we building an alternative to billionaire platforms or just a quieter version of them?

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world

    Back in the day you could find a forum post explaining exactly how anything worked, grey hat or not? Since then the internet has sanitized that out of existence. Should Lemmy revive that culture?

  • politics @lemmy.world

    Key lessons from Media Matters' new report on conservative media

    objectivejournalism.org /2025/03/media-matters-report-on-conservative-media-dominance-reveals-what-progressive-donors-dont-want-to-hear/
  • memes @lemmy.world

    AI Bubble will Pop

  • Mod abuses, power trips @lemmybefree.net

    InsanePeopleFacebook can't be bothered to give a reason.

  • ModAbuseReports @piefed.world

    InsanePeopleFacebook can't be bothered to give a reason

  • Canada @lemmy.ca

    ‘I wish them all the best. Run it like a business,’ Ford says as Humber Polytechnic moves to trim workforce

    www.ctvnews.ca /toronto/article/i-wish-them-all-the-best-run-it-like-a-business-ford-says-as-humber-polytechnic-moves-to-trim-workforce/
  • Political Memes @lemmy.world

    These official white house accounts post some of the funniest stuff

  • Political Memes @lemmy.world

    MAGA needs some rebranding post Epstein files.

  • Political Memes @lemmy.world

    A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man

  • Censorship on Reddit @lemmy.ml

    r/fallout mods removing any posts discussing the Canada storyline

    www.reddit.com /r/Fallout/comments/1qpe5ln/removed_by_moderator/
  • Asklemmy @lemmy.ml

    Where can I go on lemmy to find things like the video of the recent shooting or other important events that are not just news headlines and memes?

  • Mildly Infuriating @lemmy.world

    Using AI to create rage bait

    www.facebook.com /reel/2984373298430430/
  • Crazy Fucking Videos @lemmy.world

    Police Kicking Over Memorial For Renee Good.

  • No Stupid Questions @lemmy.world

    Why isn’t "Democrats would never get away with this" seen as a problem for the left?”

  • Canada @lemmy.ca

    Federal Budget 2024: An Indigenous Accounting - Yellowhead Institute

    yellowheadinstitute.org /2024/budget-2024/
  • No Stupid Questions @lemmy.world

    How are these ICE agents allowed to fire on protestors like this

  • Lemmy Shitpost @lemmy.world

    FYI r/IThinkYouShouldLeave is cooking

  • Lemmy Shitpost @lemmy.world

    2025 Right Wing free speech cancel spree

    www.facebook.com /groups/1155050949879089/
  • Political Memes @lemmy.world

    Newsom is trolling Trump with his own tweets