https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954
They don’t control the distro.
And google doesn't officially control web standards, but their monopoly on browser usage means they have "effective" control, for the most part at least.
See the manifest v3 changes for extensions.
The slippery slope fallacy requires that the expected escalation be unlikely.
There already exists places where third party age verification is required, so it's not an unreasonable expectation that a government already pushing for age verification "for the children" would also try a similar kind of legislation.
Yes, please point me to all the instances of open source projects implementing some mandatory ID checks. You know what? Just name one.
Given that open source wasn't a hard criteria until you just added it to try and support your argument , why would proof of a position nobody has taken help anyone?
Perhaps you meant point you at the instances of legislative creep around privacy and age verification in the last 25 years, as was suggested.
In which case you can just search for it, it's easily findable.
If you need help with search terms, try "Age verification UK"
Nobody is claiming all(or any) open source projects will comply, the argument is that this is a step towards laws/legislation that make not complying illegal.
You could argue against that, but i don't think you'd have much of an argument, which you probably know, because you would have done that already if it was a valid point.
What they are pointing at is that systemd has potentially done something to pre-capitulate and voicing their concern.
Nobody is pushing this single field change in isolation is a full age verification system, to pretend they are is disingenuous and reeks of bad faith.
!remindme 1 year
That make sense, I see why you have the list now.
It's an escape clause for when you don't understand what's going on, just claim "Zionist false equivalence" and you don't have to actually figure out what's going on.
I have to say, I find that terribly disappointing.
"Everything I don't understand is Zionism" is almost as bad as "everything I don't like is woke".
There is no Zionism or any equivalence of any kind in my replies. If you wish to try again, my questions are in the first reply (where they have been the whole time), if not, no need to try and drag it into something unrelated.
I'll give you a hint, its the parts that end with '?'
Bonus points for any section you can point at that has any Zionism or False equivalence.
Im out for now, you got this!
There was no discussion to begin with, that would requires you to understand enough to respond to the text being presented, there had been no evidence of that so far.
I can and have been engaging just fine, you seem to be the one having trouble with this particular interaction.
As I stated initially ( it's still there, feel free to review ) the terms themselves aren't the red flag, it's the approach to using them.
I did engage you in earnest, with my contextual perspective and then with questions somewhat related to the subject.
You went with a slight as a response, didn't read the rest of it and then proceeded to guess incorrectly multiple times about information easily available.
If you don't want to read, that's fine, suggesting reading materials for a context you don't understand however, makes you seem incompetent.
I demanded nothing, which again you would know if you had read or understood the response.
I don't think further communication will be to anyone's benefit, you've shown no indication of being able to follow along with basic conversation.
Not a single response has been relevant to the text to which it was replying.
I'd be genuinely surprised if you could actually compile an OS. Which means your opinion on related topics is suspect as far as I am concerned.
I don’t see edit markers on either of your responses, so I must conclude you had no technical questions regarding this breach of commit.
That would be a natural conclusion given that neither you nor i have made any reference to that article until just now, but congratulations, a correct conclusion still counts...i suppose.
That article has no bearing on any of my questions or any position I’ve taken, which you would know if you had read/understood anything that has happened so far.
If/when you do, let me know. In the meantime, I suggest you read up on esr’s essay on how to ask smart questions
Similarly , that essay is for technical, code-related questions, of which i have asked none.
Keep going though, I’m interested to see if you figure out what’s happening.
You've got this, i believe in you!
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If you can't understand it, chances are you can't answer it so this saves us both some time.
I was half-hoping someone with a big "I subscribe to this specific and obscure political ideology" would be expecting questions/discussion.
Then again, that's on me, i did see the big red flag warning at the beginning and went ahead anyway.
The flags are there for a reason i suppose, worth a try.
I'm not even who you're replying to but this is too interesting not to at least try to ask.
As this is probably going to be our first and last interaction I'll preface this by saying we probably share a lot of the same values but it seems our approaches are different.
So here goes.
If you require me to read a set of rules to interact with you that's an immediate red flag for me, regardless of how reasonable they are.
I'm not suggesting you stop requiring them, i'm just saying i'm also free to ignore them.
That being said i did actually read them on this occasion, i have no compulsion to abide by them, it just so happens that they mostly align with how i interact in general. That probably doesn't seem like much of a distinction, but it is to me.
As a side note, I'm a stickler for word choice and a solid 90% of people i've ever interacted with who claim to dislike pedantic grammar police are actually salty because they are being called out logical incorrectness in their word choice or sentence structure.
This is purely anecdotal and i am in no way accusing you of this, but for me it's an orange flag to see something like that.
That's fair, i'd expect nothing less.
This is the interesting one, i don't disagree on the principle but i'm interested to see how far through this you have thought.
As i said to the person i replied to, the issue here isn't the field itself so much as the intention behind it.
If you're far enough down the technological self reliance rabbit-hole to be compiling your own OS then you probably aren't too fussed about dropping a few services if they mandate age verification, (the third party kind, not solvable by self compilation).
As a hypothetical. let's assume somebody technically competent (but common sense deficient) has a visit from the good idea fairy and convinces someone in power to mandate age verification at the ISP level.
Is that a "stop using the internet" kind of moment or a "pirate ISP" kind of thing, perhaps a Cuba style local internet type deal or something else entirely ?
Does this way of thinking also address trust in the code itself or does that require you to read and understand all of the code being compiled, including libraries and other supply chain artifacts ?
Does it extend to hardware as well, with things like IME, PSP and perhaps DASH all the trust in the world won't counter internal hardware based attacks ?
Not that i'm saying to do nothing, just wondering where you sit on this subject.
subjectively, all of the above.
Of course you're seeing complaints about systemd in a discussion about systemd's part in this.
If you | go and look | at the other | conversations about | the same law in a non-systemd | context you'll | see complaints there as well
It's like claiming no dry land exists when you're swimming in the sea (within sight of the beach).
The premise for why it's being added however, subjectively does.
Which you know.
Also full address and name aren't mandatory, so it's not really a good comparison.
edit: I just realised i also replied to the same comment from you elsewhere in this thread.
I'm sure you understand the issue isn't the actual field but the premise behind why it's being added.
I agree it's a bit stark but it does ease up once you get used to the hunting and gathering mechanics, not by much though.
I think the in game reasoning is that the cold your experiencing is already coldest canada, but has an element of extra ice age cold.
Coldness increases calorie consumption due to the heating requirements i think , but i can't say I’ve been anywhere cold enough to say if it's accurate or not in the game.
Honestly it's still an excellent game, I’m just salty about the nearly 8 year delay.
As it so happens i checked on it and the release date for the last part is apparently the end of march 2026.
I'm not holding my breath, but if it comes out on time, that'll be a nice bonus.
Hmm, i slept on that one because i got it mistaken with Keep Talking And Nobody Explodes which is multiplayer and therefore not my usual jam.
I'll give it a look.
I really enjoyed the first two chapters, it's up in my top 50.
To be honest I’ve only made it to the beginning of the third chapter but that's mainly because i didn't want to get further into something that wasn't complete yet.
Which was more prescient than i imagined because it was 6 years ago.
Gone home was great, another good one was Everybody's Gone to the Rapture.
The Long Dark feels similar in style, though it has a lot more game elements to it.
Now if only they'd finish the actual fucking game instead of tweaking the multiplayer no-one asked for, releasing a full six part DLC or developing and getting a significant way through finishing a full sequel.
Not salty about that one at all, nope.
Ultimately you must do right because it’s right to do right. . . . You must do it because it has gripped you so much that you are willing to die for it if necessary. And I say to you this morning, that if you have never found something so dear and so precious to you that you will die for it, then you aren’t fit to live.
That tracks.
Indeed, also things like physical disabilities and health conditions etc.
That's actually an interesting question...is grass political ?
By touching it, would we be signalling some sort of political stance ?
Something to ponder.