It’s going to depend on your interest or ability to research. However, if one were to simply buy used items when possible, or choose a brand one thinks aligns with themselves after some research, I think that’s a good start.
Agreed.
Tony's Chocolonely is a good example of this, it's not that they are 100% there but they explain why certain decisions were made so i can decide for myself if it's enough.
If one thinks they might need compromise their morals, I think they should really consider their options. I’d rather pay full price for an old used GPU than give nvidia any money, but that’s my personal opinion.
I do know what you mean, i'm just not 100% sure where the morals/ethics line is supposed to go.
I'm not amoral it just seems like people arbitrarily draw lines and they seem so certain.
I'm not sure where that certainty comes from, because i don't have it.
I think this is just because car companies weren’t yet starting to surveil their drivers as part of a new revenue stream until 2014. You can read more about it.
interesting, thanks.
I don’t expect everyone to live like this, not everyone has the luxury. But I do hope people atleast try to not pay companies that harm them.
I kind of agree, but this is the kind of thing i mean, almost all companies harm them in some way, from business practices to supply chain, workforce, political donations, equipment purchases, environmental concerns.
I'm not a crazy person, i understand there is a difference between the local corner store buying a bigger truck than they need vs bezos draining whole water tables so he can buy another spaceship, it's just how people pick the hills to die on in the middle that's confusing to me.
I have something i use but it's contextual and inconsistent and by no means gives me the kind of certainty i see in other people.
That's fair, it isn't how i read it but i can see it's importance now you've pointed it out.
We should be boycotting all companies that we don’t agree with. And NVIDIA is a department of war contractor and American Regime mega donor.
This is nice in theory but the practical application is difficult.
I can get into it, but it's a common conversation i have on here, almost all of modern society is built on horrific shit, where is the line?
Is it first order disagreements like this NVIDIA boycott, or is it second order as well ? Meaning any company that willingly works with NVIDIA or explicitly buys new NVIDIA gpu's ?
It's not a trick question, I'm trying to gauge what you meant by that statement.
To be clear, i'm not saying to do nothing, i'm trying to figure out where your line is and why.
If you actually need something, and it’s possible to need a GPU, then you can buy second hand from within your community. Try to buy as local as possible, look for things like surplus office equipment or at local repair shops.
That's fair, though i would add a caveat to say "where possible"
As a concrete example, GPU's right now are ridiculous which means the secondhand market is tight, if your timeframe/need is also tight then it might not be possible to always do the "right thing™".
In your example of a car, buying a used car is also better than buying a new car in many ways, especially since cars made before 2014 were not able to surveil you.
Agreed.
Why pick 2014, was there some regulatory requirement introduced then ?
Boycott bad companies / practices, and stop consuming the latest slop they put in the trough.
I'd advise you to think of that next time you use any electronics or eat any meat products or chocolate or coffee, drive your car (if you have one).
... wear anything by most of the major clothes or trainer brands , buy anything from amazon or use any of their services, use google services or facebook or instagram or tiktok...or whatsapp.
If you want to argue about selective integrity and conviction , I'm willing to hear your position.
I wasn't saying buying GPU's is good, i was saying that the argument that they are optional is weak.
It's a whole economy based on the threat of neverending warfare.
An actual war, where they aren't just stomping on something from a great height, that is short term benefit compared to selling them the re-up every cycle, "just in case"
"Lines Of Code" is a good one, more code = more work so it must be good.
I recently had a run in with another good one : PR's/Dev/Month.
Not only it that one good for overall productivity, it's a way to weed out those unproductive devs who check in less often.
This one was so good, management decided to add it to the company wide catchup slides in a section espousing how the new AI driven systems brought this number up enough to be above other companies.
That means other companies are using it as well, so it must be good.
Im down for some strange, but not at the expense of anyone (or anything) else.
Honestly it's one of those "way more subjective than most people are willing to admit but we have made some lines anyway, because semi-arbitrary lines are how society functions".
That's before you even get in to full subjectivism's like what even is intelligence and who gets to decide where the thresholds are.
I would assume it'd be one of those "yes they consent but we don't deem them as possessing the intellectual capacity to be making that kind of decision"
Like it is with children.
This of course assumes the human side is at an acceptable intellectual level of development.
Or even the idea that the power dynamic in such an encounter would always skew significantly in the human direction, given that animals aren't usually (legally) considered the same as far as rights, agency and autonomy are concerned.
Looks like we aren't going to agree on the definition of indiscriminate, I'm good with that, you do you.
I've put forth no opinion on anything other than word choice, as it relates to logical correctness.
Somehow you've taken that single issue and tacked on a bunch of moral, ethical and political standpoints that don't exist in my responses and then seem to have taken these imaginary attacks personally, i can't help you with that.
Being angry at imaginary positions other people haven't taken must be a hard way to live or at the very least, exhausting. It's certainly confusing from the outside.
I can't work with that level of misunderstanding (intentional or otherwise) so let's just call it a day.
They killed people from literally every class available, branding anyone that disagreed with them 'enemies of liberty'. I am not going to argue on this point.
You don't need to argue, you just stated the selection criteria was "enemies of liberty". which i'm sure you'll agree is not "anybody for any reason", which is what it would need to be for it to be indiscriminate....because that's what indiscriminate means.
As i said i've no interest in forcing you to use the actual current definition of a word. If, to you, indiscriminate means "some discrimination, but not like, a lot" then you do you.
So the hoarding of wealth being transferred from noble families to merchant families doesn't seem unsuccessful to you in modern day? Replacing one group that hoards wealth with another doesn't seem relevant to the failings of the revolution?
Again, my bad, what I meant to say is I'm not sure how it relates to any of the points already raised.
None of the points raised by me (or my responses) have been about the connections, success or failure any systems or movements, nor have there been any stances taken on ethics or morality.
The relative merits and drawbacks of political systems and ideologies is interesting, but as i said i don't know enough about them to put forth anything other than superficial opinions, If you want i can put down my opinions for you, but i can't guarantee they'll hold up to scrutiny.
This is the reason I stop reading. You are an extremist and not worth speaking to.
I'm not sure how you got extremist from me commenting on logical errors in your phrasing, there have been no other positions taken by me in any of the responses I've posted, but feel free to point them out if you see one.
I use troglodyte regularly by the way
Congratulations ? it's a good word, well..i like it at least.
unless you’re talking about bloviating at which point; stop projecting, this is a common word.
I suspect it's less common than you think.
My comment was less projection than it was an inference based on your seeming inability to correctly use a (subjectively) more common word like indiscriminate. Seems like a reasonable leap to me but I'll take your word for it.
I’ll tell you when I stopped reading. It was the part where you tried to argue that the reign of terror wasn’t indiscriminate. People of all classes were sent to the guillotines, most of them the ones I listed. Robespierre himself was eventually killed. It is described as indiscriminate anywhere you read about it.
i said you were using the word indiscriminate incorrectly, there was discrimination. I wasn't refuting that people of all classes were killed.
As i said before, just because it doesn't meet the criteria they claimed ( or the criteria you think it should ) doesn't mean that there was no selection criteria.
If you want to claim a large majority of random people were rounded up with no criteria whatsoever, feel free.
I have no interest in trying to force you to use the correct application of a word, i was just pointing it out, the rest is on you.
What was the eventual result of the reign of terror? Oh, yes — capitalism overtaking feudalism regarding who gets to hoard the wealth. Oh boy, look how well that turned out!
I'm not sure how that's relevant but i don't have a formal opinion on it.
I didn’t read anything beyond this point
I know, i specifically put tags in to let you know where the big sentences were, i'm glad they helped.
but you have earned the tag ‘Bloviating Troglodyte’ so… congrats? I guess?
I appreciate you spending the time to look up some unique words, at least i know you've learnt something today.
Agreed.
Tony's Chocolonely is a good example of this, it's not that they are 100% there but they explain why certain decisions were made so i can decide for myself if it's enough.
An example
I do know what you mean, i'm just not 100% sure where the morals/ethics line is supposed to go.
I'm not amoral it just seems like people arbitrarily draw lines and they seem so certain.
I'm not sure where that certainty comes from, because i don't have it.
interesting, thanks.
I kind of agree, but this is the kind of thing i mean, almost all companies harm them in some way, from business practices to supply chain, workforce, political donations, equipment purchases, environmental concerns.
I'm not a crazy person, i understand there is a difference between the local corner store buying a bigger truck than they need vs bezos draining whole water tables so he can buy another spaceship, it's just how people pick the hills to die on in the middle that's confusing to me.
I have something i use but it's contextual and inconsistent and by no means gives me the kind of certainty i see in other people.