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  • Look, I get ACAB, but these guys don't seem to have been accused of doing anything in particular.

    It's wild to make a movie clearly identifying real life people who haven't been tied to any wrongdoing, and then present them as committing a ton of felonies to include arson and multiple homicides (of fellow cops no less).

    Like, these are real people trying to quietly live their lives, and now they have people thinking they're extremely crooked based on a self-admittedly fictional narrative. It's irresponsible at best.

  • Aflack and Damon self admit that the entire narrative is fiction past the opening setup. The events in the film don't purport to be true.

    However, before having them burn down a building and murder a supervisor and a fed, the film sets up an establishing sequence based on real life events that clearly tie the two fictional characters to two real people.

    I get ACAB, but like, it's kinda wild to make a film where you're clearly representing real-life normal people, and then have them do a bunch of heinous stuff that they're not even remotely accused of doing.

  • I see no paywall, and I've loaded it a few time (though you do have to scroll past a huge ad to keep reading, which is annoying.) It's way more than 5 paragraphs though.

    From the article:

    Although Smith and Santana aren’t named in the film and weren’t involved in its production, the lawsuit claims that Santana was serving as the lead detective assigned to the real case, and Smith was the sergeant who supervised the investigative team. The film’s inclusion of real details about the case gives the impression that the characters are based on the plaintiffs, the suit said.

    This, the lawsuit claims, has given friends, family members and colleagues the impression that the plaintiffs committed the criminal acts that appear in the film, which include (SPOILER ALERT) conspiring to steal seized drug money, murdering a supervising officer, communicating with cartel members, committing arson in a residential neighborhood, endangering the lives of civilians, repeatedly violating core law-enforcement protocols and executing a federal agent rather than making an arrest.

  • And it's clear you stopped reading right there.

    The movie is based off a real event in which those two officers are identifiable. That event was a drug bust and a large amount of drugs were confiscated.

    The film then diverges from reality (by its own admission) and has those two identified officers murder a supervisor under direction from the drug cartels.

    The real officers are saying that they were clearly doxxed in the beginning of the film (using too many real life details), and then the film represents them doing horrible things they didn't do.

    So no, the "real life details" did not in fact make them look bad.

  • That's not what the article is saying. Did you read it?

  • It's in the article. Aflack and Damon are not just the actors. They co-own and run the studio producing the film. They hired a person from the police department in question to consult on the film.

    And, to be clear, this isn't the police department being mad because this paints them in a bad light. The film starts with events based off a real case, but moves into a fictionalized narrative where two cops murder a supervisor while working for the cartels. The cops the characters are based on are suing because people know that the characters are based on them and don't realize the rest of the narrative is fictionalized.

  • Yeah, it turns out a lot of recent changes in education (see Lucy Calkins, common core, etc) have actually been pretty hugely detrimental. Education is pretty fraught with fraudsters who sell school administrators these programs that aren't backed by any kind of research, and turn out to not work at all.

    The places that have avoided this the best are the Alabama's and Mississippi's of the US who, by stint of being hyper conservative, have basically said, "Fancy new types of city learnin'? No thanks. If it was good enough for my great grandpappy, it's good enough for my kids."

    Turns out, this actually ended up being a really good thing, as a lot of that new stuff turns out to be straight fraud that's ruined an entire generation of young people.

  • Not that I disagree with the point generally, but there is a difference of scale here.

    There are around 22k ICE agents. At 150k, that's 3.3b for the first year, and then 2.2b in following years.

    There are around 4m teachers in the US. To raise them all from 55k to the 100k that ICE agents make (ignoring the hiring bonus) would cost 180b/yr. Two orders of magnitude greater.

    I'm not saying it's not worth it. I'm also not saying that ICE agents are good. I'm also not saying this disparity is justified.

    I'm simply saying that the analogy, as given, implies that if we had the money to pay ICE agents 100k+bonuses, then we should have just paid the teachers that much instead. But that's not how the math works. And just because the argument feels good emotionally doesn't mean it's accurate. And the truth shouldn't need a lie to drive it forward. There are plenty of good, factual arguments to make, and this isn't one of them.

  • This is obviously ridiculous and impossible. It's 1am. Everybody's asleep.

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  • That's fair. A standardized stick measurement for shorter lengths, and a standardized wheel of diameter 1-stick for longer lengths. That tracks.

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  • Yeah, I missed that he said 5 diameters, not rotations.

    Though, it strikes me as odd that people would be making diameter based measurements with a wheel tool for the same reason it would be weird for people to be making measurements with the short side of a yard stick. Seems like a needlessly difficult way to get a measurement when your existing tool already has an easy and codified way of getting measurements.

    I'm no historian or whatever, so maybe that's something they did do in antiquity. But it seems unlikely to me, and if we have evidence that they did, I'd be interested to see it.

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  • Ah, reading is hard. My bad.

    Though, it seems like if you were measuring using wheels, to use the diameter to measure something would be a little odd? It's way easier to roll a wheel a certain number of times vs trying to use it as a circular yardstick.

    And if rotations isn't giving you the granularity you want, just use a smaller wheel?

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  • I don't think that's true though?

    Like, if you have a wheel who's diameter is 3.18m (10/3.14), it will have a circumference of 10m. So 14 wheel rotations will be 140m, and 5 wheel rotations will be 50m.

    Comparing 14 rotations to 5 rotations (140m to 50m) doesn't seem to yield pi in any meaningful way?

    How are you suggesting that pi would emerge?

  • Welcome to Lemmy.

  • The sauna you're in is 100°C? 212°F? I think you might be dead bro.

  • Putting words in my mouth man. I still find genocide abhorrent. What I learned was to not make it my entire personality.

    You're allowed to enjoy your life. Advocacy is important. Standing up for what you believe in is important. But when you let arguing with randos on the Internet become who you are, you're not making a difference, you're just being an ass. And, in my experience with lemmy.ml, that's what it reminds me of. Being that guy who was trawling the Internet, looking for a debate.

    And to be clear, when I was 15/16, the current Israeli situation wasn't in the zeitgeist. I was obnoxious about a completely different set of issues, lol.

  • Nah dude. Wasn't an aim to discredit you. I'm just taking the piss.

    I mean, I do think I'm right. But honestly, I'm not looking for a fight. Just having a pleasant evening.

    And maybe I'm wrong and you're in your forties posting dozens of times a day on lemmy just to fight with people so you can call them a "dumbass". But honestly, that might be worse, if I'm being real with you.

  • Maybe. Though I glanced through your post history, and I'm unconvinced that you're old enough to vote. :)

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