No it should be abolished entirely. To allow it to be used in any circumstance is to accept it will be use against the innocent. The only way to be sure innocent people are not wrongfully executed is to stop executing people entirely
Once again you are focusing on punishing the guilty and not sparing the innocent. If we want to execute cartel bosses we will also execute innocent people. the only way to be sure the death penalty is not used erroneously is not use it at all.
Because every moral argument that can be applied to the death penalty can also be applied to imprisonment.
No I disagree. The goal is simple and specific: stop wrongful executions.
You can say "well also other stuff is bad" sure, thats not the point here. the point is that we make ONE change and save lives. Stop executions. No other changes are required. The system, the facilities, the employees, everything else already exists to facilitate this.
So while there are MANY other improvements that can be made to the justice system this is ONE SINGLE SIMPLE change that WOULD ABSOLUTELY save lives.
I dont care about costs. This is about preventing wrongful executions. I cannot accept the arguement that say "well, its expensive to prevent the state from accidentally executing the wrong person" Too bad, thats the cost of justice. Prison is a punishment for the guilty, no one should be murdered by the state.
So you are saying that because murder happens the state should also get to do it?
The goal is to prevent wrongful executions and the solution is remarkably simple, stop executing people entirely. Nothing else has to change and we save lives.
nothing is ever 100% accurate 100% of the time, that’s impossible.
EXACTLY. So while we need a system to punish and reform criminals we do not need to execute. Thats just not necessary and we can absolutely operate without it. We can ensure that we are not executing innocent people by not executing anyone.
It is not absolute inaction. It is sparing the innocent because the govt cannot be trusted.
Thats a slippery slope that is common in these discussions. Im saying the death penalty shouldnt exist, prison is still important for society. We just cannot trust the government or any legal system to hand out executions. The ONLY way to be sure innocent people are not executed by the death penalty is to not have one at all.
And yet there are ways to deal with that yourself if you choose that exit, the govt should not be able to make that choice for you. The key here is taking away the govts right to murder its people just because it made an oopsie
Keep the perspective here: You are arguing that 'prison can really suck so the govt should be allowed to execute people it says are guilty'
Thats interesting! And my translation addon says it translates to "Marius"