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  • They are just jumping at vaguely russian shaped shadows at this point

    It's weird to watch once you see it, how many USian people truly struggle to recognize bad stuff happening in their country as bad without relating it to [country vilified by the US now or at some point]. Two of the classics being like "we're going the direction of Nazi Germany" (Nazis learned from Jim Crow laws though...) or "we're becoming like North Korea" (from people who think the DPRK is cartoon evil and think Occupied Korea is a wing of democracy TM). And then of course stuff like this, the "it's actually Russia that is behind our intersection of deeply embedded racism, worship of celebrity figures, ad-based popularity contest presidential campaigns, and increasing inequality, combining to create a president who has a rightist cult of personality, we're not responsible."

    And it's like... this is the DNA of the US. Everything that's happening in it is the DNA of the US and the continuation of that. It doesn't need "foreign interference" to keep going that way. If the rest of the world disappeared tomorrow, the US would start blaming the tides, the star patterns, the particles in the air, anything but taking some goddamn responsibility. For a nation obsessed with personality responsibility rhetoric, it sure tends to be allergic to taking any responsibility for the makeup of the nation and its history.

  • I just wanted to say, I appreciate how much effort you put into sourcing these kind of posts in so much detail.

  • *To be clear, when I say "legitimate", I mean in the sense of "a person who genuinely holds these beliefs and posts about them because they believe in them" vs. "a person who is part of a campaign to spread propaganda and may technically be a legitimate Islamophobe in that they're part of the campaign because they hate, or they may just see it as propaganda work and have a more sociopathic view".

  • I'm pretty confident some of it is not legitimate Islamophobia and is a reddit wing of a broader social media campaign on behalf of the genocidal settler state. The campaign is more visually obvious on twitter to me; I think the surface anonymity of reddit makes it harder to see at a glance. But you can notice, for example, how mundane subreddit names get used to launder posts that are obviously targeted propaganda against a particular group. The most transparent being r/pics, but a less obvious one I've seen is the subreddit r/UnbelievableStuff

    That's not to say there aren't real Islamophobes on the internet. Just that it being worse is almost certainly manufactured, to some degree.

    One instance in particular, I don't want to go into detail on it here in case the details could indirectly link my reddit account to here (I'd prefer to keep them separate) but suffice it to say, I have reason to believe the person's Islamophobia spewing account is not a random reddit user who just happens to feel that way.

  • Even outside of what people normally think of "politics", the difference between investigating with a framework behind it and trying to theorize alone is night and day. Or as Mao put it:

    Only a blockhead cudgels his brains on his own, or together with a group, to "find solution" or "evolve an idea" without making any investigation.

    There are not a few comrades doing inspection work, as well as guerrilla leaders and cadres newly in office, who like to make political pronouncements the moment they arrive at a place and who strut about, criticizing this and condemning that when they have only seen the surface of things or minor details. Such purely subjective nonsensical talk is indeed detestable. These people are bound to make a mess of things, lose the confidence of the masses and prove incapable of solving any problem at all.

    Bold emphasis mine. Even if not in the same exact capacity as what Mao describes, I've been that blockhead plenty of times throughout my own life.

    I figure people who end up there generally mean well and sometimes they have a good point, but even then, there's a discernible difference between criticism based on hypothesizing and criticism based on investigation.

    Anyway, it's a good speech. We do what we can with what we have and from that, we try to form something that can do more and better than what we were doing before. That's all we can do. And sometimes it's learning how to form something that is itself part of the struggle. We don't know what we don't know and can't find it via thinking alone.

  • Haven't really found a rhythm/use for it yet, even though I'm technically on there. I was already low profile on twitter and I don't really have the energy or a direction, for trying to build an account and use it tactically for messaging. I imagine it's probably less chud? But I expect it to be pretty lib nevertheless, which can be a nuisance in its own way.

  • I know I'm talking a jokey commentary point too seriously, but I would say "I can haz cheezburger" is a decent equivalent if we're going by generation: also makes little sense on the surface as the skibidi stuff.

    One of those things where I get the sense that even the people proliferating it aren't entirely sure what it means or why they like it, but something about it is funny or interesting to them. But then, the same could be said about a lot of internet humor. Without the meta explanations of a website like KnowYourMeme, it can be hard to follow even if you belong to the generation that is spreading this stuff. I think there's something about the meme format/communication style that is supposed to be able to go beyond having to get really explicit about what it is you meant. The internet in general can be hard to explain to someone who doesn't spend a lot of time on it. I guess in a way, memes may be an answer to the fact that so much of the internet is so text-heavy and a lot gets left out when that's all you have. So memes, gifs, emotes, etc., try to get at the more nonverbal stuff.

  • Interesting thoughts on it. Yeah, I agree it's rough to work with for sure. Prob the energy on platforms that big is better spent finding things to help with in RL, for the most part. I mean there are occasions it has mattered, like helping to spread info on genocide. But then it's more a matter of boosting something already posted than posting hard about it on top of everybody else who is already covering it.

  • Oof lol.

  • Comradeship // Freechat @lemmygrad.ml

    I need to limit myself to here for a while or something

  • The uwuification of barbarism.

  • Rest well!

  • I hope all this shit is entertaining to the Lemmygradians at least lmao

    I just hope you get a resolution that is to the benefit of hexbear users. 🙏 I know for some people, these places are a serious part of their lives, no matter whether it involves some shitposting too, and I wouldn't want that to get messed up by mismanagement or irony poisoning or whatnot.

  • I'm gonna need the original poster to confirm it's a joke, not a secondhand read because I don't see anything joking in the tone of it and I've seen at least one other comment that also implied putting this person on a pedestal.

  • Huh? What about the context of that post sounds like joking to you?

  • That’s why TC69 had a cult of personality. Because she has a point.

    Look, I don't really have a stake in the particular disagreement here about affirmations, but the one thing does not follow from the other here. People don't deserve a cult of personality because they are right about things sometimes. That's how you get literal cults. Even figures who have contributed an enormous amount to the global struggle of liberation, such as Mao, Lenin, Castro, they still don't deserve a cult of personality. They just deserve respect for their contributions and it makes sense to look at what they did that worked to see how it can be applied to a modern day context, within a person's specific locale. And depending on where you live, it might make sense to honor them as a representation of liberation and the ongoing revolutionary struggle. But no one, living or dead, is above criticism and people who are right some of the time are also wrong at times too. Some of the most effective revolutionaries can still make terrible decisions.

    Resist putting people on a pedestal in "great person theory" style. People can in very rare cases be symbols of an example to live up to, but in the day to day, they are still normal human beings. It's healthier to elevate a process or technique as exemplary and maintain people's humanity as something realistic and grounded. A cult of personality perspective would have us rejecting hand-washing if it came out that scientists who figured out germs were terrible people. I think of that satire article "Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point". Whether someone has good ideas sometimes or does good things sometimes, does not necessarily mean anything about what they will do going forward. We are human, not a computer program. There are computer programs that can predictably do the same thing each time they run. Humans just aren't built that way and we will never be industrial factory-grade machines, no matter how much we get dehumanized and portrayed that way.

  • Sry if you already know all this, I’m not sure how visible this has been to other instances lol

    I don't know any of it beyond what I've been able to gather in this thread and the linked threads, I appreciate the context. Tbh, I'm probably overreaching on having a take at all, only going off of what I can gather about it. But I am also kind of biased, I think, against anything that seems obsessive over the minutiae of forum structure in a way that can fail to see the forest for the trees. I've been on a number of forums over more than a decade, including from before I had communist views, and I think sometimes the ease of exercising sweeping power gets used as a justification to be more rushed in decision-making and execution than the circumstances warrant. Most things in the tangible world have to go through more of a process, even after a decision has been made, to make them a reality; and that makes the cost of a decision seem higher. The internet has costs of a kind too, but some of them are harder to see. Like understanding how people engage with a website in the first place, why they come, where they come from, what makes them stick around or leave and for what reasons, whether what they're doing contributes to the goals of the forum, if it even has clear goals in the first place. All things that could get lost in overthinking if taken too far, but also seem to get neglected chronically across different types of leadership and subject matter of forums.

  • Yeah I wouldn't have guessed that at all. My only familiarity with the idea of a dunk tank is white people doing it to each other voluntarily as some kind of fair/fundraiser thing. I always thought the idea of it seemed kind of sadistic (not that I knew the word sadistic back then). But I'm taking it to imagine hexbear's dunk tank is similar to the shitreactionaryssay that lemmygrad has, where it's posting takes of people who aren't even present, and in that sort of context, it seems more like throwing fruit at a picture of someone than anything akin to putting down someone who is trapped there and has to take it. There's also "dunking on" in the basketball meaning, which is sometimes used to refer to putting someone down on social media, like ratio'ing a person on twitter. That one is more directly humiliating, but doesn't use the term "dunk tank" and so unless the basketball meaning also has racist origins I'm not aware, we're looking at phrasing that can quickly overlap and could be confusing to people to take as inherently bad or racist to use.

    If it was just a name change and it was an easy thing to change the name of without messing up links and existing activity and so on, I'd say, whatever, make it a name they don't feel icky about. But the internet often doesn't function that way. Screwing over logistics of user activity for the sake of feeling better about a name most people won't even know the real origins of seems like an odd decision, to say the least.

  • I'm not familiar with what goes on there, so as an outsider, the fact that in skimming, some of the replies make more sense to me than the admin/mod posts doesn't seem like a great sign for their leadership. Comes across like they're acting based on vibes and don't want to provide substantive examples to back up what they're doing.

  • Thanks for sharing your experience with it. It's insightful to read.

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    Communism in religion?

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    Locked

    Mask wearing and such

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    The Anti-Science Infantilization of the Modern Tech World

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    Apathy as an unconscious coping mechanism for dealing with hyper individualism

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    How do you deal with selective apathy?

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    Dealing with the "blah blah so and so fled communism" talking point

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    israel used drones playing the sound of women and children screaming to lure Palestinians outside and kill them

    twitter.com /ajplus/status/1780716585260564932
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    How do you deal with family members who are relentlessly liberal?

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    Hero complex vs. legitimate collectivist mindset?