Coelacanth

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Main benefits:

Easier for the moderators
People who want to know who wins but don't want to watch the races can learn this information from scrolling past the post in their feed, without having to actually open the post. This saves them a click.
(Tangential) Potentially higher click-through rate from non-F1 fans on the /All feed. They would be very unlikely to click a generic spoiler free "The winner of the Miami Grand Prix is..." post, but if it includes the name of the winner and it is someone they have heard of like let's say Lewis Hamilton, it could conceivably drive more new users into the F1 community.

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I must be completely out of step with the rest of the world. Which is nothing new I guess. Naming the post title "The winner of the Miami GP is..." and blurring the image instead of naming the post title "Kimi Antonelli wins the Miami Grand Prix!" means the community completely loses its purpose?

Coelacanth @feddit.nu 8h ago

I still don't get it, but maybe that's just me being autistic. I'm presenting both the argument and my opinion. I see it like this:

Argument 1: We should NOT allow post titles to spoil race winners, as this might make life a little easier for those who want to watch races but can't always catch them live. They might be able to use Lemmy as usual during a race weekend without having the race spoiled for them, or without needing to unsubscribe to and/or block the F1 sub and/or some of its frequent posters.
Argument 2: We should ALLOW post titles that spoil race winners, as this might be more convenient for people who want to know who wins but don't want to watch races. This way they can see it right in the post list and won't even have to click to find out. This rule will also make life easier for moderators.

My opinion is that avoiding spoilers in titles is the favourable approach, but I see validity in the moderation argument especially.

I don't see how any of this is directly transposable to helmets or whatever. That's a completely different sets of arguments, completely unrelated to the spoiling of race winners.

Coelacanth @feddit.nu 9h ago

Tbh that in itself answers my question of "who is it for?" in an adequate manner. The answer being: for the moderators. I personally would like to think that people just being well meaning enough that they can refrain from posting stuff like "X wins the Y Grand Prix!" is possible, but if it's impossible to implement and enforce those kinds of rules without making life hell for the mods then that is fair enough to.

Coelacanth @feddit.nu 9h ago

Been back to my old haunts, listening to Gun Club again. That first record is just really special, and I'm also glad we got the remastered release of Miami back in 2020. It has some fantastic songs on it but suffered from poor recording, mixing and mastering. Mother of Earth might be their best ever song, and Carry Home is also up there. Jeffrey Lee Pierce was such a fantastic lyricist.

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Coelacanth @feddit.nu 10h ago

I don't understand your counter arguments, really. I never once brought up upvote counts or engagement. I don't see the logic you're purporting to draw from the helmets either. This is a community for F1. Helmets and liveries are a large part of that. Someone interested in F1 has a good chance to be at least curious about helm or livery design. I don't understand how you got from there to thinking I would purport we ban helmet posts?

All I'm saying is: we know there is a significant part of our community that can't watch races live, and would like to remain unspoiled so they can watch later. We can choose to do what we can to help these fans out and protect them, by electing to not include spoilers in post titles to the extent we are able without completely compromising the function of the sub at a whole. I'm not suggesting a news blackout, I'm not suggesting banning race clips or accidents or stuff like Hadjars crash. Yes, they are also spoilers but we can't bend over backwards. This is only about whether or not we should include spoiler information about race winners in the title of a post.

We can also elect to just say "fuck em" to the people who can't watch live. But I don't think we should, and I don't understand why we would go that route. What do we lose by having titles be spoiler free (eg: "Winner of the Miami Grand Prix!" with a blurred image)? To me it seems like we lose nothing, we don't impose any particularly strenuous burdens on ourselves, but at the same time we might make a huge difference for some of our community members.

And that leads me back to the beginning of "who is this for?". Who are we hurting by doing spoiler free titles? Who stands to benefit from the current status quo that would suffer by introducing spoiler free titles?

Coelacanth @feddit.nu 11h ago

Sometimes I think about whether I should do a month long platforming bootcamp or something, there is such huge swath of great games I am cut off from by both struggling with and struggling to enjoy platforming. Both MIO: Memories In Orbit and REPLACED that released this year look phenomenal but... yeah. Platforming.

Coelacanth @feddit.nu 11h ago

It's an instance issue. I'm also seeing error on this account, but not some of my alts.

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Coelacanth @feddit.nu 12h ago

My stance is along the lines of this: who are these posts for? We should always do things for a reason.

On the one side of the field we have a large number of people who want to watch races but can't always watch them live. This is a confirmed and not insignificant group of people. Many of these people are active contributors and members of this (our) very community.

On the other side we have a nebulous and hypothetical group of strangers. This group does not want to watch races, but does sort of want to know who wins the races. But they also don't want to put in any effort whatsoever to find out themselves. They don't read the sports news. In fact, all they want is to be able to skim titles as they're scrolling social media and find out without even having to open the post in question. That way they can be informed about who won the F1 race so they can participate in F1-related small talk in the office while simultaneously putting in the absolute minimum effort required to engage with the sport.

It's all a matter of which of these groups we want to cater to.

Coelacanth @feddit.nu 23h ago

Yeah, agreed. I'm still hoping Hadjar pulls through though.

Coelacanth @feddit.nu 24h ago

"Fnfnddndn" as the fentanyl hits your system?

Coelacanth @feddit.nu 24h ago

I never understood people's hate for Miami as a race track, it's like the most 7/10 of all time in my opinion. Most races here have been pretty good, it's a perfectly cromulent circuit for racing. I think people just get reverse halo effect from the surrounding environment, the parking lot vibes, the highway overpass over the chicane, the fake marina, the Americanism of it all... But we're not here for digital tourism, if the sightseeing and environment around the track was the point then Monaco would be everyone's favourite track. Miami a perfectly fine circuit for racing.

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Coelacanth @feddit.nu 1d ago

Why are we using people's profiles and post counts to judge their value as a person? Should this not be a friendly and welcoming community? Where is all this hostility coming from? Genuinely asking.

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Coelacanth @feddit.nu 1d ago

I agree. The mods evidently don't. Maybe the type of person who don't watch races but still wants to know who wins only wants to skim the title and not actually open the post and therefore appreciates this exact format? Maybe that's the angle?

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Coelacanth @feddit.nu 1d ago

I have resorted to staying off social media completely on any race weekend I can't watch live. Sucks that it has to be that way but that's the way it has to be, I guess.

I don't really understand who these posts are for, but I guess enough of an argument can be made that there are people out there who don't watch races but still want to know who wins that might appreciate them. I don't know. Enough of a reason for the mods to allow them at least.

Sucks, but it is what it is.

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Coelacanth @feddit.nu 1d ago

Pretty good race all in all. Miami is a solid track for racing. If you haven't already then I recommend both F2 races as well, great entertainment in both.

Once again McLaren's conservative strategy team gets caught out and Kimi and Merc were able to capitalise. Apart from the start (which Kimi really needs to work on) he didn't really put a foot wrong and made the overtake when he had to. Norris in fairness didn't really do anything wrong either, he was just let down by his pit wall.

Mixed weekend for Red Bull, on the one hand their upgrades are working and they made a huge step, on the other they seemed to have been in the classic vein of making Max faster and the 2nd driver slower. Hadjar seems increasingly lost and while it's not time to start worrying quite yet it's a first question mark. Max had a great race all things considered, Hannah gambled on a strategy and I think it was worth a shot but didn't come off this time.

Shout-out to Colapinto who had his best F1 weekend yet, but I want to highlight something else: double points for Williams. Is this the beginning of the light at the end of the tunnel? Have they finally started to shed some weight?