hallenbeck

Agreed! Interesting content, in-depth analysis, great goals, highlights from extraordinary or notable matches. 👍

I've found some content I've posted along these lines gets downvoted (e.g. https://lemmy.world/post/8042698) for no given reason, which is always a bit dispiriting. In that example, it's always good fun to get an insight into how top coaches think, even if you don't support that team. Sky's Monday Night Football great for that - Gary O'Neil and Thomas Franck being notable examples recently:

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

Hello!

Would be great if highlights and goals could be kept in a single matchweek thread or similarly organised somehow. They often crowd out and rapidly push down other content making it hard to see. I've sometimes logged in to find a wall of scores and match updates for stuff I'm not interested in (e.g. the wall of Copenhagen v Manchester United goals recently - would those not be better served up in a single thread rather than a post per goal?). Highlights are fine, but I can usually find extended highlights pretty easily on the many highlight websites out there (including YouTube). Posting scores here seems a bit redundant too - there are so many apps and websites now that provide live scores and in-depth stats.

But I appreciate these things might be useful to others so just appealing for perhaps a bit more organisation around them.

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Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

We Spurs fans had three defensive coaches in succession (Mourinho, Nuno, Conte) and those seasons were pure misery and without any progress, despite at least two of those coaches being proven "serial winners". There's a reason why top clubs in the Premier League aren't defensive – fans and the media hate it and it doesn't suit the league. The clubs at the bottom of the league tend to adopt more defensive low-blocks and mid-blocks out of necessity. Some clubs like Brentford and Wolves have had some success and are dubbed "giant killers" for adopting a low-block and counter-attacking style. But they're not top-4 contenders.

West Ham were steered to victory in the Europa Conference league by David Moyes and he is a notably defensive, pragmatic coach.

Also, in the 22/23 Champions league, 3 of the 4 Premier League clubs in the competition have lower GA/90 (goals against per 90) stats than Atletico:

Atletico: 1.50
Liverpool: 1.50
Chelsea: 0.90
Tottenham: 0.88
Manchester City: 0.38

The eventual winners of the Champions League last year was of course City, with a total number of goals conceded of just 5 in a total of 1170 minutes of play. Atletico conceded 9 in only 540 minutes.

I don't think Simeone knows what he's talking about.

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

Same for me but using Geddit. Also finally exploring Mastodon for a replacement for match threads.

Both are part of the fediverse so not mutually exclusive.

You can start a match thread on Mastodon and mention the handle of this community in the post (@football@lemmy.world) and it'll not only start a thread on Mastodon, but also here. Comments added on Masto will appear in the thread here and vice versa. Likes on Masto will appear as upvotes here and upvotes here appear as likes on Masto. It's quite cool. You can tell when a post originated from Mastodon because it has that little rainbow fediverse icon on it.

If you follow a Lemmy community on Masto, the posts will appear as boosts in your timeline.

Here's a thread I started on Masto but is also on the !coys@lemmy.world community:

https://lemmy.world/post/8197032

All the comments were added from Mastodon, not Lemmy.

This is a thread I posted here directly from Mastodon:

https://lemmy.world/post/7968059

More details on how all this works here: https://vijayprema.com/using-lemmy-from-my-existing-mastodon/

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

It's not the calls that are the problem. In the Tottenham Chelsea game the decisions were all correct in the end (pretty much). It's all the waiting around that's the problem. It ruins the flow and enjoyment of the game. I don't know anyone at this point that thinks VAR has improved the game. Fans of clubs in the Championship often tell me they prefer no VAR.

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Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

Yeah, experience from moderating over at !coys@lemmy.world is that you've just got to keep posting and posting and posting and gradually, very slowly, the numbers creep up. Same on Mastodon on the #MastodonFC and #COYS tags (can't speak for other clubs). You've got to give people a reason to come back.

Personally, I'm not sure the individual posts containing a single goal from a specific match is helping much. Makes the community seem very noisy. IMO would be better to have one thread per match with goals posted as comments. But I'm not mod here and others may feel differently, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

FWIW, I don't see the community as dead. I post a few things here and there's often a good number of votes and some good discussion. Seems far from dead to me.

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

They’ll need to come up with some strategies for keeping warm while waiting an indeterminate amount of time while waiting for VAR.

In American Football they use stationary bikes to keep warm.

https://bikehike.org/why-do-nfl-players-use-stationary-bike/

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Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

Yeah, he did say, "I was half-tempted to throw some balls out there for them to kick around". It's right there in the quote I posted.

They'll need to come up with some strategies for keeping warm while waiting an indeterminate amount of time while waiting for VAR.

So not bullshit at all then.

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

Is the argument trash, though?

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

100% agree the discourse should be public. Good point.

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

Yes, the big league with their multiple camera angles led to so much scrutiny after the games, VAR felt somewhat inevitable. I'd like to see it radically scaled back. Goal line technology is fine. But get rid of the ridiculous offside checks and the debatable handballs and let the game flow. There's an argument emerging too that all the standing around waiting for decisions can lead to injuries as muscles cool and stiffen.

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 2y ago

The final was a great match for sure. It's just all else associated with that tournament was terrible.

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Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 3y ago

Most? According to what survey? I don't know of a single person that thought it was, overall, a good WC. I'd wager most people would put it down as one of the least memorable in living history. It was dreadful, and players came back to the Premier League knackered and injured. Worst WC ever.

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Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 3y ago

That is fucking ridiculous and a disgrace. It was shit in Qatar in the middle of winter and it'll be shit in Saudi. What a joke. The levels of bribery and corruption in world football now is incredible.

Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 3y ago

I don't think Haaland coming second is a fair representation of his stature as a striker enjoying the fruits of exceptional service. He's notably worse when Rodri and KDB aren't playing. The fact that goal scorers like Haaland get votes highlights what a weird award Ballon d'Or is. The focus should be on the team award with secondary individual awards for best positions (best 9, best 10, best wingers, 6, fullbacks, centrebacks, and gk).

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Hallenbeck Lemmy @lemmy.world 3y ago

Do you know where I can get xG data before 2017? That's where FBref stops.